[devmunchies]

Fat + Carbs makes you fat. Cut out one and you lose weight. I'm on a plant based diet which is high carb (no highly-refined carbs) and I'm very fit.

If your body's glycogen stores are full from carbs then YES fat you consume goes straight to fat.

EDIT: and WFPB (whole food plant based) also reverses type 2 diabetes.

[dhruvkar]

I've been on keto for a > 1 year now, but feeling like I want to cut out meat products.

Any resources that you can point to, to research the physiological effects behind WFPB, and for getting started?

[devmunchies]

Rich roll podcast has a lot about WFPB diet. He’s a lawyer turned athlete so his discussions are pretty good.

I enjoy this one about the benefits of ketosis in a plant based diet with Dr Kahn: http://www.richroll.com/podcast/joel-kahn-349/

[kristallizer1]

Not OP, but https://old.reddit.com/r/vegan/wiki/veganscience#wiki_health... is a good starting point.

[Numberwang]

Thank you for being a voice of reason in all this. When this ketosis madness ends and we go back to eating plant based like our ancestors did the world will be a better place with healthier humans and no factory farms.

[djsumdog]

I think you can do either, and I should have added that to my post. Veganism isn't a health diet straight out; it's a political diet. But you can be very health (lots of plant, plant carbs and very little fat) or very unhealthy (nothing but Oreo cookies).

I agree with the poster that a high carb/low fat diet can also be pretty healthy, but you pretty much do have to do one or the other.

Both approaches are difficult, because the food supply/industry isn't really setup for it. There are a ton of unhealthy vegan meals in vegan restaurants as well, where they load up on refined sugar and not as many plants.

They keto stuff isn't madness though. It's just a different approach and it works for some people.