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by yellow_viper 2884 days ago
What is N.B fasting?

I do 16/8 I.F fasting on a HCLF diet and have never experienced any of those issues.

There is plenty of evidence showing the benefits of ketosis on the body, and benefits from people switching from SAD to Keto reversing diabetes and the likes - but that's more down to calorie restriction. With regular keto you're raising your risk long-term for diabetes, heart-disease, cancer and stroke due to increased meat/dairy/egg consumption.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resista...

You're far better just eating a varied diet with as little animal produce as possible and doing I.F which releases 5x the amount of ketones than the keto diet.

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> I do 16/8 I.F fasting

That's not enough to trigger those symptoms for many people, as it depends on how much salt you have in your diet and your own metabolism of course. But do a 36 to a 72 hours fasting, which is otherwise a very healthy thing to do from time to time and you'll experience it head on.

>> "that's more down to calorie restriction"

Why did the plane crash? Due to gravity. What should the plane have done to not go down? It should've had more lift.

Now tell me, how does that help in establishing why the plane actually crashed and what to do to solve it? That's how "calorie restriction" sounds as an explanation, being a prima facie observation. Of course you're reducing calories. But HOW you're reducing those calories makes all the difference.

Another one: Why do people get rich? Because their spending are less than their earnings. What should people do to get rich? They should cut their spending or raise their earnings. Well duh! But it's a totally useless observation, isn't it?

>> "With regular keto you're raising your risk long-term for diabetes, heart-disease, cancer and stroke due to increased meat/dairy/egg consumption."

That's absolute bullshit.

Here's one of the largest studies on dietary fat, done on 50,000 women, spanning for 8 years, showing that going low fat did absolutely nothing to prevent heart disease: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28515068

I also wish people would stop posting YouTube videos btw. I don't watch YouTube bullshit. Post links to studies that I can verify.

>Now tell me, how does that help in establishing why the plane actually crashed and what to do to solve it? That's how "calorie restriction" sounds as an explanation, being a prima facie observation. Of course you're reducing calories. But HOW you're reducing those calories makes all the difference.

A ketogenic diet can also reduce hyperglycemia in diabetes, but it is not the wisest choice for the long term, diabetes or not. Addressing the cause of the disease, excess unhealthy fats in the case of diabetes, is better than merely treating the symptoms (hyperglycemia), especially if you can do both with the same intervention (http://www.pcrm.org/health/diabetes-resources).

>Here's one of the largest studies on dietary fat, done on 50,000 women, spanning for 8 years, showing that going low fat did absolutely nothing to prevent heart disease: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28515068

Whole-food plant-based diets are the only diets shown to reverse heart disease in a clinical setting:

Dr. Richard Fleming showing progression with low-carb diet and reversal with WFPB https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1110832

Dr. Dean Ornish reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9863851

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198208

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696 CONCLUSIONS: Long-term consumption of a low-calorie low-protein vegan diet or regular endurance exercise training is associated with low cardiometabolic risk. Moreover, our data suggest that specific components of a low-calorie low-protein vegan diet provide additional beneficial effects on blood pressure.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459 The study suggests an adverse effect of consumption of beef on plasma lipid and BP levels.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 Randomized trial data suggest atherosclerosis progression and coronary heart disease events are minimized when LDL is lowered to <70 mg/dl

Dr. Kim Williams - the President of American College of Cardiology said, "There are two types of cardiologists: vegans and those who haven't read the data."

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/low-carb-diets-and-coronary...

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-not-to-die-from-heart-d...

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-problem-with-the-paleo-...

>I also wish people would stop posting YouTube videos btw. I don't watch YouTube bullshit. Post links to studies that I can verify.

Wasn't linking a youtube video. He puts a video on the page to make it easy to digest but all the sources are cited.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resista...

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You've picked the most obvious one. Heart disease and animal produce link is well established and accepted.

Fat 100% causes diabetes. So does low-fibre or high-sugar though (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0072693/). There is also a lot of extremely shady shit going on in diabetes research like this >>

“This study was supported by grants from the American Diabetes Association, the Minnesota Beef Council, and the Colorado and Nebraska Beef Councils”.

Cancer is established but the risk isn't that great (still causes 21% of bowel cancers though)

> What is N.B fasting?

"N.B" is short for "nota bene" in Latin, which means "note well" or "please take note":

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nota%20bene