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by wyattpeak 2891 days ago
While Hossenfelder is well within her wheelhouse criticising the search as wrongheaded, members of the public reading and forming an opinion on the proper course of physical research is less than useless.

It's exactly the same thinking that leads people to conclude that global warming isn't a problem, because they found a climate scientist who also disagrees.

Unless we all, en masse, want to go get physics degrees to properly critique the arguments, the only responsible thing for a member of the public to do is trust majority opinion. It can be wrong, certainly, but it's vastly less likely to be than any of the dozens or hundreds of minority opinions which oppose it.

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"It's exactly the same thinking that leads people to conclude that global warming isn't a problem, because they found a climate scientist who also disagrees."

No it isn't.

You've read the book?

The point is, particle scientiests have shown no fundamental progress in the last decades, and claimed several times there will be progress for sure with the next billion EUR. But this has not materialized.

Hossenfelder argues that the "for sure" part comes from the perception of beauty by the scientists, and they have no other basis for being convinced there is possible progress than that the current theories are not beautiful (e.g. no quantum gravity, no unified theory, no super symmetry).

Climate scientists have shown massive progress over the last decades.

"[...] because they found a climate scientist who also disagrees."

It's not that "one" scientist says there is no progress, all scientists agree there is no progress in particle science (except showing a particle exists that everyone was sure existed already and waves that everyone also was sure exist, no new insights). So listen to the scientists about their progress, when billions of EURs and broken promises have not brought any progress and decide if they should get more, or the billions are better spend on scientists that make progress (climate, health, AI, ...).

She is criticizing a subset of the theoretical physics community, not the experiments.
If the public pays billions and billions of EUR, it should form an opinion.

"trust majority opinion"

Trust those who get those billions of EUR, you mean.

Given that science has a pretty good (but not perfect) track record of improving the human condition, yes, trust them or spend the effort to become a recognized expert.
I do not argue about science.

But I would be interested in the track record of particle science in the last 50 years on improving the human condition.

I'll mix nuclear physics and particle physics, which are close anyway: The www, digital x-ray, PET/CT, MRI, proton/ion beam cancer therapy. Just from the top of my head, certainly not complete.