[astine]

"It is an absurd notion that there are two manners of discussing how the pie should be divided up"

There is absolutely a difference between normative and positive statements about the world. Arguing whether raising taxes will lower middle class wages is a different question from whether one should raise taxes.One is a question of facts and the other is a questions of values. This distinction holds no matter what field you are discussing; it's just the field of economics where people seem to insist on blurring the two.

[emodendroket]

I think it is worth pointing out that often we don't actually know the answer, or are getting results interpreted through politically motivated lenses, and so even seemingly descriptive statements about the economy are often secretly normative ones.

[f00_]

I don't think there is such a clear distinction between fact and values ala Hume’s conception of a "matter of fact" or Kant’s distinction between analytic and synthetic judgments.

economics isn't a deductive science. i prefer Keynes' irreducable uncertainty as a principle of policy. we can't predict the future, we don't how policy is going to act out. the future won't look like the past. the chicago school's knightian uncertainty is the supply side of the same coin

there are flaws in the logical positive approach, see pragmatists like john dewey, hilary putnam, or richard rorty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLJfEVu3kbY

[astine]

Dewey's objection to the fact/value dichotomy is more against the notion that facts cannot be used to drive value judgments, not to the notion that value judgments should not be used to derive facts, which is mainly what I'm referring to here.