[mdomans]

If I may chime in: trenbolone and boldenone will hit your psyche hard.

Here's a short on pro bodybuilders. Most of them know jack shit about endocrine system. I'm sorry, but I work in this business. I've seen pros with IFBB pro card having their "pupils" on 100iu insulin daily. It's pure stupid. And I don't blame your doc because adrenal insufficiency is moot, there's a ton of good evidence on that. I've also seen one idiot with IFBB pro being wheeled into ER because he was doing cocaine while on juice and decided to fix with muscle cramps by giving himself IV with potassium. Put together hyperkalemia and cocaine and you're in for a V-fib.

I've also seen pro bodybuilders suggesting other stupid things. Some work, some not, main difference is that when you get "diagnosed" by a pro bodybuilder he's responsible for nothing :)

To my point: diet and exercise do work. Your adrenal insufficiency was probably effed up cortisol curve (lack of sleep? stress? caffeine hard all day?) but it's not adrenal insufficiency. Adrenal insuffiency is a SERIOUS clinically recognized condition called Addison's diseases and it's symptoms are rather obvious.

Low T as for a bodybuilder usually means anything below 400ng/dl. Not 100% healthy and certainly not the best for gym (600ng/dl-800ng/dl range is best), but your doc ins't responsible what's legal in US.

My advise would be, if you feel bad on low T, remain on testosterone alone. The main problem with boldenone is CV load (elevated hematocrit) and trenbolone REALLY damages psyche and kidneys. It messes up serotonin metabolism HARD. You can check any respected AAS guru and he will tell you that a month on Trenbolone is ALL that should be done and that's for pros only.

I do get that you want fast effects, but it's not worth it. Any bodybuilder I know who used to run trenbolone long term has huge psychological problems, with few ending in the funny town.

In short: if you need to do it, drop trenbolone and boldenone, switch yourself to nandrolone, monitor your BP and hematocrit (you can ask your doc for telmisartan) and limit yourself to something like 400mg of testosterone a week. You will just live longer and better.

[oceanghost]

You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested.

However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful.

Again, thank you.

[mdomans]

If I may, and this is a delicate topic but I often suggest talking to a psychiatrist who specialises in depression or a clinical psychologist. I know antidepressants (and visiting a psych is still a stigma somewhere, it shouldn't be) have a very bad reputation (in part because prescribing rules were relaxed and tons of people live on SSRIs for years) but profesionall help is priceless.

I've met men with really scary problems they weren't even able to talk about and I mean tough guys who look like Ron Swansons tough uncle. I recently talked to a guy owning a biz in construction AND being a first responder. Testosterone helps because it has antidepresive effect but the issue may be more complicated - it's good to be able to talk to someone.

[oceanghost]

I've been mulling over a response to this for a few days. I appreciate the advice and recognize it as true. I am ok, however. When I said I had major depression, I meant, I recognized the feeling of it having been diagnosed with it in the past. I have in the past sought help and am aware of the difference between depression caused by hormones, drugs, situational depression, etc. I have always found that clean living-- exercise, sleep, and in my case staying away from wheat and other allergens, almost always alleviate the problem in a few days.

Again, Thanks.

[mdomans]

Cool, happy you have your stuff together :)