[throwawayou812]

And then the grand jury, completely independent of any judge, makes a decision as to whether or not to indict. Your argument is like saying the referees decide who wins the Super Bowl.

[civilitty]

Grand juries cannot even exist independent of a judge, let alone decide things of consequence like an indictment.

What planet do you live on?

[throwawayou812]

You're actually trying to argue that judges have an active decision making role in deciding whether or not a grand jury issues an indictment? You're really destroying your own credibility and making my point for me the deeper this conversation goes.

There's an old saying: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

[civilitty]

You're actually trying to argue that judges don't play an active role in the JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

You're literally arguing that water isn't wet.

[throwawayou812]

I'm not going to let this go, because you are trying to deliberately spread information about how our legal system works that is factually false, and that is damaging both to HN and to our country. So let me make it clear: In our system of justice, judges do not have any vote in whether or not federal grand juries issue indictments.