[mjburgess]

> It's sad that libertarians / ancaps are bullied out of the real world

Uhuh. Though they just call that "thinking".

There is no "real world" form of utopianism. It's a dangerous adolescent form of thinking which requires purifying one's environment until it is All Good according to a single set of criteria.

All society-level attempts at this measure their results in millions of deaths.

[zerostar07]

By that standard we should have stuck with absolute monarchy. (you might want to think it over. I 'm sure the ancient romans said the same things, as did imperial russia)

[mjburgess]

Every change which has occurred has never resulted in a single pure ideology characterizing a civilization.

All change is plural and incremental, even so-called "revolutions" really just exchange the set in power for another set. They leave the plurality of really-existing power structures in place, whilst disturbing only a small number.

This is simply an incremental shift in power at the very top.

Utopian projects take pluralities of lifestyles and pragmatic political systems and attempt to unify them under a single consistent set of criteria.

It's something for the mind of an adolescent, to which this mode of thinking is common.

[_csoz]

libertarians leave capitalism intact. You can say that government delegates is "a small number".

[mjburgess]

There is no "capitalism".

Society cannot be characterized by a coherent set of ideological principles. It is the behavior of human beings, which is highly plural and inconsistent when formalized.

There is no ideology to "leave in tact". By destroying the government you do not "uncover" some latent capitalism, you take the ways everyone is behaving -- have them repeat that behaviour -- but now without a government.

You'd find that to be a catastrophe.