[ManFromUranus]

Oh so Mr. Rodgers winked into existence in 1968? I suspect that instead that he was born much earlier than that, and he lived and grew up in a very different USA than the one you live in now, and even a different USA from the one in which he began broadcasting in 1968.

[dragonwriter]

> Oh so Mr. Rodgers winked into existence in 1968?

No, and neither did the intense social, political, and racial divisions in the US that were present in 1968.

[ManFromUranus]

You didn't address my point, but I'll address yours:

Could those social, political and racial divisions be addressed by living in different polities?

[dragonwriter]

> You didn't address my point,

I addressed what you said. If you had a point beyond that, it wasn't apparent.

> but I'll address yours:

No, you won't, even though my point was exactly what I said.

> Could those social, political and racial divisions be addressed by living in different polities?

That's not really germane to what I said, either on its own or in its context as a response to your claim about change since some time relevant to Mr. Rogers origins. It seems to be more a passive aggressive way of making a separatist point that your use of white nationalist code throughout the year has been trying to dance around rather than actually responding to any point of mine. But, I will respond to it:

(1) No, the divisions are to multidimensional and evolving for separar polities to be a viable solution; and, in any case, separate polities just shift internal conflict to external conflict, they don't resolve conflict except when the conflict is primarily about a desire for separate polities.

(2) While there have been occasional bits of retrograde, the broad course over time does that they can be, and largely are being, addressed without separate polities.

[ManFromUranus]

"Strong fences make good neighbors"

I disagree that internal conflict would become external as you say. I think that the reverse would happen, we could coexist more peacefully as no groups feel controlled or exploited by the other.

Also I'm not sure what the reason you insist that people you clearly hate must continue to live with you. There is the obvious fact that you can continue to control them and demographically dominate them at the polls (thanks to immigration). If they separate from you then you cannot do that, also you would become a very tiny minority in the multicultural society that remained, I think that doesn't sit well with you. My assumption is that you are white.

I suspect the opposite, the trend is getting worse and relations are becoming a powderkeg. I suppose time will tell who is correct.

[dragonwriter]

> Also I'm not sure what the reason you insist that people you clearly hate must continue to live with you

I don't hate anyone, and I don't insist anyone “live with me”. The U.S. does not have exit controls nor do I favor imposing them. OTOH, the primary cleavage lines in the country aren't geographic (whike there is a geographic correlation, it's weaker than at any point in history), so any separation of poltiies means (even ignoring the multidimensional nature of the divided that make this impractical even before considering geography) either forcing large numbers of people into polities less friendly to themselves than the current common polity or mass dislocation.

> There is the obvious fact that you can continue to control them and demographically dominate them at the polls (thanks to immigration).

The idea that currently dominant faction is advantaged by immigration is...interesting. But not particularly well connected to reality for many of the major divides at issue.

> If they separate from you then you cannot do that, also you would become a very tiny minority in the multicultural society that remained

In a separation along any of the key cleavages, everyone would be part of a larger (proportional) group within the resulting poltiies than the source polity, so that doesn't even make sense.

> My assumption is that you are white.

Well, maybe you shouldn't make stupid assumptions.

> I suspect the opposite, the trend is getting worse and relations are becoming a powderkeg.

I think there's a fairly good chance of a near term crisis and it's clear that the short-term trend is bad, as it has often been within the longer-term improvement. OTOH, The major progress has always come in the context of crisis periods.