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by contact_fusion 2907 days ago
I wouldn't say that general relativity suggests that gravity is an "ambient side effect" of material presence. It means precisely that the geometry of spacetime is determined by the matter-energy content within that spacetime; and that matter moves on geodesics dictated by spacetime. I suppose that I am forced to accept that whether you think gravity is more like a shadow of matter than an active participant in dynamics is somewhat up to you, provided that you get the physics correct. If you don't, then your perspective is wrong.

Glancing at some of the other things you've said in the thread, you seem to be convinced that some waves, like sound waves, are somehow illusory. Let me assure you, there is nothing illusory about wave phenomena, both in general and with gravitational waves in particular. Anything that produces wave-like phenomena can be said to radiate emissions, to paraphrase, and in many cases, there is nothing really more "fundamental" than the wave.

As for the concept of color, I suppose it depends on what you mean by color. Color as defined by the wavelength/frequency of light is perfectly well defined outside of the visible spectrum. As a mental concept, I don't see why it is "irreducible." I suppose you are attempting to say that the universal speed of light is somehow fundamental... but in the same way that a "redder" red is impossible? This is a dubious analogy. It confuses the limitations of the mind with fundamental physics.

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Sound waves are changes in the distribution of particles within a volume over time. The sound wave itself is a byproduct of the particles compressing closer together or stretching farther apart.

You might be in love with the idea of describing an equation that frames the gradient of distribution, and the nature of it's propagation through a medium, but the sound wave is the manner in which the gaseous molecular constituents of the air are set in motion relative to one another. They get closer, they move apart, the changes occur at different places in the medium, at different times, and do so at a certain velocity, in sequence as interactions are forced upon the medium.

Indeed, the reason sound waves travel at the speeds we observe, is because that's how fast the very molecules themselves, comprising the air, are moving at the temperature and pressure of the environment.

Meanwhile, what color is a beam with a wavelength of one nanometer? Would you characterize the color as "soft x-ray"?

The sound wave is not a "by-product." It is precisely the phenomenon you are describing. And while we are discussing equations and distribution functions, you might as well get the equation right: wave phenomena arise when the equations of motion are hyperbolic PDEs. Such systems involve the Laplacian, not just the gradient. Indeed, the physics of such systems are typically studied as a whole, in terms of... wave phenomena.

Further, not all waves require a medium. Light and gravitational waves are prominent examples. There is nothing to reduce these phenomena to, except for the fields themselves, whose form is dictated by... a wavelike solution.

While we are at it, let me disabuse you of your explanation of the sound speed. Turns out that the sound speed is a thermodynamic quantity; it is the speed at which small wavelike perturbations propagate. To properly derive the sound speed, one must linearize the Euler equations, and then adopt a thermodynamic equation of state, from which the sound speed is derived. It is, emphatically, not the speed at which molecules move.

Finally, it is obvious that you did not understand what I was driving at with respect to color. I agree wholeheartedly that we have no true color, within our minds, with which to perceive, say, soft x-rays. But this issue has to do with our own neurobiology, not fundamental physics. Comparing the two is what is problematic. There is little reason to suspect that our mental limitations have anything to do with anything but evolutionary necessity. Such limitations are categorically different than, say, the speed of light.