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by trgv 2905 days ago
I thought this was a good article.

I think the relationship between streamers and their audience is a more extreme form of the relationship between celebrities and their fans (some of whom may tend toward fanatical).

It's not surprising that things end up this way. When you remove the music/movies/whatever that the celebrity is producing and give the fans direct, real-time access to the celebrity's life things were bound to get weird.

One area where I disagree with the article is this characterization:

> [Viewers] are immersed in an online culture that believes that “social-justice warriors” and political correctness are the main obstacles to self-actualization

In my opinion this kind of "extreme speech" should rarely be taken literally. Instead, misogny/racism/xenophobia/ranting about "SJWs" on the internet should be viewed as a weird kind of performance art rather than an expression of genuine beliefs.

None of that makes it pleasant to an uninitiated spectator, but I'd compare that to how someone might find a dead baby joke terribly offensive. Really, I'd compare the whole thing to an inside joke between friends that would be considered "over the line" if someone else heard it. There's nothing new about that.

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> In my opinion this kind of "extreme speech" should rarely be taken literally

That's what surrogates said about donald trump before the election. The muslim ban was just hyperbole. Then he got elected, and people were getting detained at the airport.

Now I'm not naive, and I know that some of the outrageous speech of online trolls is just for show. The problem is, you can't detect sarcasm online. White supremacist groups are actively recruiting on chan boards. You can't say it's all just a joke.

>In my opinion this kind of "extreme speech" should rarely be taken literally.

Ironic racism/bigotry inevitably attracts people that aren't in on the joke.

> I think the relationship between streamers and their audience is a more extreme form of the relationship between celebrities and their fans

I totally agree. One of the things the Internet has dramatically increased are asymmetric relationships between people. Some amount of asymmetry has always been part of life — the peasants know who the king is but the king doesn't know the peasants.

But now that anyone can broadcast to millions, it's easier to have a one-sided relationship that a peer-based one. I believe that's profoundly unhealthy, and a problem society is going to have to confront and learn how to deal with.