[icebraining]

It's almost impossible to be productive 100% of the time. Even with just 2h for lunch and all other crap, to get 9h of productive time you're taking about entering at 9AM and leaving at 8PM. No, thanks.

[austenallred]

Being a founder isn’t about writing code all day - you don’t have to be operating at full mental capacity to be getting stuff done. You spend a ton of time talking to people, recruiting, writing emails, etc. IMO the notion that you can be more effective as a founder in < 8 hrs/day as if you work 8 hrs/day is a pleasant sounding falsehood.

I’m sure there are diminishing returns at some point, but I don’t think it’s before 8 hrs/day.

[icebraining]

Being a founder is irrelevant, he's talking about pushing his workers to work those hours, not about his personal schedule.

[austenallred]

Ok fair, but are you aware of any position that is devoid of administrative tasks or meetings?

The hardest part of being in a company is almost always coordination and communication.

[icebraining]

That's exactly my point; he shouldn't expect 8-9h of productive time from his workers, because there are always administrative tasks and meetings (not to mention more lowly vital necessities), and so that implies they're basically living in the company.

[austenallred]

The problem is that HN doesn’t consider “vital necessities” productive when the author does

[yulaow]

Wasn't the author talking about all the people who work for him with "if people are working less than 8-10 productive hours per day"?

If so I think he was also pretending the whole dev team should have 10hours/day of real productivity