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by magissima 2913 days ago
High schools too, it's amazing how many kids use juul. I think a lot of them aren't even aware it's nicotine.
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They know, they don’t care. It was hard enough to convince people, especially kids, that smoking was bad for you and that was with something that made you hack up yellow slugs, and stank. I would guess that convincing people that vaping nicotine is harmful decades before the harm is readily apparent, in ways that are not well studied will be essentially impossible.

Juul is just the perfect intersection of portable, concealable, and apparently consequence-free. Kids will use it, and I don’t see a way around it. Good luck to the poor little bastards.

There is startlingly little evidence that pure doses of nicotine are harmful without smoke.
Everyone in here is caught up in the physical harm of smoking. Celebrating moving from cigarettes to eCigs. I'll admit that's important. But for me, most of the harm cigarettes have (and also eCigs) is not how bad is it on your physical health.
Legitimate question - if most of the harm of eCigs is not on your physical health, what is it?
It's the mental addiction. The physical health is not really something you deal with every day - usually doesn't get super serious until you get older. But when you are addicted to smoking (cigs or ecigs), it changes you. It interferes with how you live your life. You are now thinking about smoking a lot, when the next time you smoke will be. You will be doing something and then you will think "I wish I had a cigarette" and then that will consume you until you find one. You are less productive because of this. You are less in the moment because of this. You become controlled by the addiction. To me this is much more serious. You might die 10-20 years earlier, sure, that's bad, but if you aren't living to your greatest extent right now, I think that's much worse.

I actually think ecigs are worse than normal cigarettes for this reason. It's now socially acceptable to smoke them, easier to smoke them (you can just hop into a bathroom stall and take a hit).

In my personal experience, vaping does not feel very addictive at all. I used to be a heavy smoker, using 3-4 hand rolled cigarettes every hour unless I was somewhere I could not smoke. I'm now a heavy vaper, I vape all day every day, but it feels more like something I do because I enjoy doing it than because I need to.

When I was a smoker, running out of tobacco would induce panic attacks. Every minute spent on an airplane or at the movies I'd devote most of my thoughts to longing for the moment I could have a smoke again. When short on cash, I'd prioritize tobacco over food.

As a vaper, I have on multiple occassions forgot to bring my vaporizer (or charger, or e-juice) when travelling and gone without for days with no problems at all. A bit annoying perhaps, but no more than forgetting to bring my headphones before a flight or something like that, certainly not even close to the cravings I'd get when I couldn't get hold of my precious tobacco during my smoking days.

There's obviously individual differences at play here, but if someone came to me complaining about their horrible vaping addiction I'd have to restrain myself from not going all Bob Saget in Half Baked on that poor vape junkie... ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEberTUvrsE )

What is it?
Is nicotine bad for you? I thought it was just what made cigarettes addictive, and all the other stuff is what made them unhealthy. Happy to be proved wrong -- I'll let some eCig friends know ;)
The main problem with nicotine is that it increases your risk for heart disease. It’s also somewhat carcinogenic.
It's also extraordinarily addictive. That's an ethical problem in and of itself.