[vanadium]

As someone who quit a 17-year cigarette habit for vaping starting in the early-ish days (2011, and it's come so far since then), nicotine salts might be the answer to those who relapse from trying to quit via vaping because it "didn't feel right."

Quite frankly, the narrative to smokers who want to quit from vapers who have has been "it's different, but be patient"; if a closer analogue gets out there that closes the gap on attempts versus quits, I really think there's a no-lose situation.

[lstodd]

Never heard about those 'nicotine salts'. Had the same problems coming from cigarettes (30+ a day) to vaping, that is, in stock juice nicotine content is just too low.

All it took was self-prepared mixes, higher in nicotine, very low in aromas and those tobacco-like, vg/pg mix just as I like it.

Came out about fifteen times cheaper than the off-the-shelf juices. Compared to the cost of cigs, even not counting health effects, vape is about two orders of magnitude cheaper.

Now I dare someone tell me that 30+ 8mg cigs a day are somehow less harmful than ~8cc of vape.

[s73v3r_]

There are a lot of people who weren't smoking at all starting to vape as well. I would consider that a pretty big lose.

[barry-cotter]

Why? There’s no way nicotine inhalers are as harmful as drinking alcohol. The research on nicotine’s health effects qua nicotine is about as strong as that for caffeine. The long term health effects are small and ambiguous.

The negative health effects from smoking are from inhaling burning plant matter, overwhelmingly. If we go from the current rate of smoking to 100% of adults vaping the health effects on a population level would still look good. Smoking is really bad, vaping is new, stupid and may in the long run have some negative effects on your health but we don’t have any strong evidence it does.

[lstodd]

Why do you assume they wouldn't have started smoking in absence of vape?

[s73v3r_]

Higher amounts of them are starting to vape than the rates of smoking would predict.

[colecut]

I'll just throw in that I am one of those people who didn't smoke cigarettes but have attempted vaping multiple times. Cigarettes are gross, they stink.

I've always stopped vaping after not too long due to issues with the ejuice tanks or just not feeling like doing it anymore.. but I actually picked up juul a couple days ago because I do enjoy that occasional 'nicotine rush', so trying this again =p

I may be an idiot, but I'm also a stat. =)

[bfuller]

I'll take you at your word (a source would be nice) but I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

[s73v3r_]

You fail to see how kids getting addicted is a bad thing?

[bfuller]

Do you have any evidence that it is?

[seanmcdirmid]

citation?

[pm90]

Is it really any better than smoking? I believe nicotine itself is the carcinogen, correct? Not just the ash and other byproducts of burning...

[Jarwain]

Yes it's quite a lot better than smoking.

Vaporization of juice is better on your lungs compared to inhaling smoke and tar. Less to get clogged. Nicotine itself has been shown to be significantly less addictive combared to Tobacco. Theories for this typically involve the fact that there's more than just nicotine in tobacco. There's a chemical in tobacco smoke, the name escapes me at the moment, that acts as an MAOI, reinforcing the effects of nicotine.

This isn't to say that nicotine is harmless. Rather that the consumption of nicotine via vaporization is Less Harmful compared to smoking tobacco.

[tigershark]

Honestly saying that nicotine is far less addictive in e-cig rather than cig seems like a BIG BIG lie. At least speaking from experience.

[rileyphone]

No, nicotine is barely a carcinogen and is essentially on the same level as caffeine in terms of danger.

[devereaux]

And when it's mixed with benzoic acid? (the 'salting' process mentionned)

From Bing:

Is benzoic acid a carcinogen?

It is considered safe only at less than a .1% concentration in a finished product (Source) When benzoic acid and vitamin C (ascorbic acid) or citric acid are present, under the right conditions of heat and light, these two ingredients can combine to create the known carcinogen, benzene.

[kenning]

My impression is that nicotine is "essentially" harmless but caffeine is actually harmless, maybe even good for you (kind of like a glass of red wine a week).

[keypusher]

Try taking a whole bunch of caffeine pills, definitely not harmless.

[barry-cotter]

The dose makes the poison and tablets are about the only way you could overdose on caffeine. Your stomach will be telling you to stop long before you get to 40 cups, which isn’t enough for a healthy adult to overdose on.

[tigershark]

They said the same thing about cigarettes decades ago, proving it with “scientific” studies.