[doall]

> Oh, sure, people are very willing to report their suspicion of a crime happening to someone else.

I can say the same thing when you see a stranger entering your property that such case alone can be a crime in the Japanese law. I have seen Japanese people reporting such crimes.

> But what do you think is, say, the date-rape report rate for Japan vs. any other country? Something that's already a source of personal shame is hard enough to report; knowing that no investigation will even be attempted in response means there's no reason to try to overcome that shame.

Even in such specific type of crimes that is very difficult to investigate, some people report to the police. It is up to the police department to accept the reports and further investigate.

> Look at what reports ever get any detectives assigned to them, and the statistics will tell a far different story.

Your claim was that nobody bothers to report, but I oppose to the claim because I have seen people reporting, and thus I still conclude your claim is false.

[kbenson]

> Your claim was that nobody bothers to report, but I oppose to the claim because I have seen people reporting

The claim was that people don't report crime, and you claim to see people reporting suspicions. Even if it weren't just an anecdote, it isn't even addressing the point accurately.

> thus I still conclude your claim is false.

Neither of you have actually provided anything beyond generalizations and anecdotes. Any conclusion based on what's been presented so far is incredibly premature.

[doall]

>The claim was that people don't report crime, and you claim to see people reporting suspicions. > Even if it weren't just an anecdote, it isn't even addressing the point accurately.

I have addressed the suspicion thing in my second reply to derefr. It is not just suspicion, but also a crime that is reported.

> Neither of you have actually provided anything beyond generalizations and anecdotes. Any conclusion based on what's been presented so far is incredibly premature.

I understand your point. Since I know quite well of Japanese people, I don't think it is premature. To clearly show evidences that everyone can understand is a different thing and it is also difficult in some context.

To deny the claim "So nobody bothers to even report such crimes", I have to find just one case and since I know a case I consider it false.

To prove all my claims that I have witnessed, we probably have to go to court and I consider it nonsense since it isn't realistic.

To prove a customary of Japanese people, it is very difficult and I currently have no clear evidence that I can show easily, but any Japanese people can oppose to my claims if it seem wrong.

To back up my claim using other sources, for example, I can tell you a famous date-drug rape case of Shiori Ito in Japan, which the victim reported to the police, accepted, investigated, but not prosecuted.

Here is the wiki written about her in Japanese. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊藤詩織

[emodendroket]

Haven't watched it but there's a lot of buzz around the Ito Shiori BBC documentary, entitled Japan's Secret Shame: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b8cfcj

[bachbach]

UK and US media have an obsession with the flaws of Japan, and also like to overlook the monumental difference in crime rates by chalking it up to fabrication.

[emodendroket]

Ok but I mean Japanese people aren't unaware of or unconcerned with these issues either

[bachbach]

True - and why not, it's their backyard to worry about. It's the lack of introspection in the West that irritates me - any constructive talk immediately gets deadlocked by flamewars on class and race even if great arguments and evidence for policy are presented. Government should never be religion.

I expect Japan runs documentaries on Western countries and their crime too, only with stronger supporting evidence.

Using 2014 (seems typical) as an illustration.

0.31 per 100k citizens vs 4.88 (US) and 0.92 (UK).

Imagine the scale of conspiracy the Japanese police would have to be involved in to make us look good. The main issues I've heard of are examples of police incompetence as a side affect of not having much crime to deal with. This is like how in South Africa the triage surgeons are really good at solving for stab and gunshot wounds. It's a positive sign that the Japan police are lax on recognizing murder and a negative one that the South African ER doctors are some of the best in the world.