[colechristensen]

The drug wars weren't a failure. The intentions of the people that started and maintained them was generally the promotion of a certain set of moral standards and oppression of certain populations or simply a desire to follow rules.

I generally think that the CSA/drug wars or something like them may have been necessary to keep this country together. The problem with mind altering substances is that they work, and there were people who wanted to use them to change the world. They could have, not necessarily in a good way. Some things needed to be treated with more care and study and instead they spread like wildfire through a counterculture.

[throwaway37585]

> I generally think that the CSA/drug wars or something like them may have been necessary to keep this country together. The problem with mind altering substances is that they work, and there were people who wanted to use them to change the world. They could have, not necessarily in a good way. Some things needed to be treated with more care and study and instead they spread like wildfire through a counterculture.

Can you be less vague and explain what you're talking about?

[colechristensen]

Psychedelic drugs and their countercultural following were transforming into something like a radical religion in the mid 20th century (the 60s prominently).

An example:

Timothy Leary was a Harvard psychologist who went a big rouge and was said to be "the most dangerous man in America" by Nixon. His slogan was "Turn on, tune in, drop out" and a lot of people were taking him seriously.

Charles Manson used LSD to indoctrinate his cult members.

Psychedelics are powerful tools, they can give profound, religious experiences and the people administering and using them have a lot of power to change their worldview, behaviours, etc. It seems they can be used to do a lot of good or bad or something in between like any powerful tool, but they were being used by a counterculture that wanted quite a lot of change very fast.

[pm90]

They did change the world though.

I was brought up in a conservative household and hippie was a derogatory term in my household for a drug-addicted vagabond. But the counterculture gave us music, changes sexual and religious mores, and lead to a fundamental shift in how people thought of themselves as a part of society and the world, at least in the West. And a lot of this experimentation and culture was fueled/inspired by drugs.

Nixon wanted to end, or at least control that.

[colechristensen]

I want to clarify that by "successful" I meant that they were successful in achieving the actual motivations behind many of the actions by the people that got the drug wars started. These motivations were not necessarily stated or good, but they were successful.