[valeriob]

Yep you are right, i rounded too much, mvc is from 2009 : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/734892/asp-net-mvc-is-no... But the bulk of it started a bit later with the whole .net ecosystem.

I agree with all you said, but i'm referring to the previous comment where ms has been all but asleep in the last 10 years :D Anyway talking about language and dev-environment are two completly different conversations, and i'm not wrong saying that Java as language stagnated far too long. I never said the .net eco system thrived meanwhile :D