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by prebrov 2909 days ago
I'm not in NZ, but seriously considered it as a destination. I agree with you, the article has nothing to do with reality and is just wishful thinking or, more likely, a PR shill paid up by NZ's foreign promotion board or however they're called.

Jacinda Ardern had a strong anti-immigration position during her campaign, she literally promised to cut immigration by 20'000-30'000 per year, from 70'000. No surprise that current government basically dismantled all immigration schemes.

Good luck to them building their own Silicon Valley!

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There's a huge number of low skill immigrants in New Zealand, they don't really add that much to the country.

I don't imagine that any restrictions on immigration would significantly impact skilled workers.

That said, I don't understand why we would possibly have a requirement of VC involvement when the already money is there to actually do the work.

So, despite being an entrepreneur, and having founded several successful and sustainable businesses, I’m one of your “unskilled migrants”. Sure, I’ve been coding since I could walk, I have current and expert systems and web technology knowledge - but I have a bachelors. In physics. Not useful at all, and puts me on the same rung as a golf course management graduate - actually, below, as they have a shortage skill.

One of the hurdles I am repeatedly failing at with trying to emigrate is that I do not have a compsci degree.

It seems that having a bit of paper is much more important than having a track record.

So in fact you're in no way unskilled, and if you're being measured as such there's something fundamentally broken in the way that skills are being measured and something should be done about it.

Nothing ever will be done, and it's a loss for the country.

Because the VC's wrote the rules...
Lol no we didn’t.
I'm generally pro-immigration, but with a population of less than 5 million and a housing affordability crisis, 70k a year simply isn't sustainable.
Isn't New Zealand hugely underpopulated? I fear that their real problem is elsewhere...

Just checked quickly:

* the UK: 65 million people, 242 000 sqkm -> crowded

* Romania: 19 million people, 238 000 sqkm -> not that crowded

* New Zealand: 4.8 million people, 268 000 sqkm -> it's definitely not overpopulated...

Edit: Heh, I also checked the density, it's the 203rd country in the world regarding population density. There's definitely a ton of space for people there, if the government wants it and is diligent about promoting construction of affordable housing.

I don't think people per sqkm is the most relevant metric of overpopulation, it's more like people per available resources.
New Zealand is famous for being very resource rich, so I'm not sure I share your concern. NZ is an exporter for many of its resources: http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/sectors-industries/nat...
Land wise yeah theres heaps of room, but infrastructure / housing wise, not so much.
It's not a population density problem but a housing supply problem.

There just simply aren't enough houses in NZ. Simply finding somewhere to live can be a struggle, let alone somewhere affordable.

So it's artificial scarcity, basically. Someone/something is blocking development, right?
It's a series of problems that confound each other, some artificial, some organic.

First, we have geography. Auckland is located on an isthmus that ranges from 1 km wide to 10 km wide. It's basically on an island. It's also covered in volcanoes. Wellington is bound by the sea on one side, and hills on the other. It's wedged in the middle. They can, and have, expanded into the sea using land reclamation, but there's only so much of that you can do. There's only so much land you can put buildings on, which is a major problem when growing.

NZ also suffers from NIMBYism. People in NZ don't want to live next door to apartments, and they also don't really want to live in apartments either. Everyone wants to live in a detached house with a back yard. This problem is particularly prevalent in Auckland. The poor state of public transport and congestion on the roads in Auckland also limits how far out you can live if you work in the CBD.

And lastly, the rate of immigration has been so high that they just can't build houses or infrastructure fast enough to keep up.

So these 3 factors have worked together to cause a severe housing shortage in Wellington and Auckland in particular.

Christchurch is the only city where house prices and rents are stable or decreasing. However, the city suffered a major earthquake in 2011 which knocked out a lot of the housing supply. Whole suburbs were razed, and will never be built on again. A lot of houses only needed remedial work, rather than full reconstructions, so the housing supply has bounced back reasonably quickly. Christchurch is also the only city of the 3 main cities in NZ that is built on flat plains. Christchurch has practically unlimited space to grow inland.

Most immigrants move to Auckland though, so Auckland has borne the brunt of this housing crisis.

I live in Christchurch and looking to buy a house here. There were so many dodgy repairs done after the quakes that there's a real risk of buying a lemon.

I have a friend where their foundations were repaired, turned out the builders had basically papered over the cracks. There are countless stories like this one.

I think the market in Christchurch is going to be very odd once the scale of these bad repairs comes out. New houses are definitely at a premium.

Christchurch was where I was looking at starting the business, having visited all of NZ’s major and most of the minor towns and cities - but it seems it’s not really a factor in their decision-making process.