[GavinMcG]

No? "Liberal" doesn't mean "pro-government". What definition are you using that suggests they would?

[GabrielBen]

Are conservatives pro-government?

[Sohcahtoa82]

Define "pro-government".

[cuckcuckspruce]

The colloquial definition used by most of the US citizenry and on television news programs on both 24-hour cable networks and broadcast television.

That doesn't make that definition correct...

[Sohcahtoa82]

> The colloquial definition used by most of the US citizenry and on television news programs on both 24-hour cable networks and broadcast television.

Could you be more specific?

[cuckcuckspruce]

'Liberal' in the US is associated with the expansion of the welfare state, preferring having government solve all social problems, and abridging individual freedoms if the greater good is served.

[asdsa5325]

And what does that have to do with forfeiture?

[conanbatt]

Fiscally liberal, socially liberal.