[turingcompeteme]

> replaced all the teachers in a school with teachers recruited from the top 5 or 10 percent of all teachers in the country.

My Sister and SO are both teachers and we've had this discussion. They believe that if you took a low performing school, and replaced all the teachers with the best teachers in the country, you would find zero difference.

My sister has been beaten up by students, breaks up fights nearly every day, deals with child protection services, assault from parents, weapons in the classroom, drugs, gang activity, students who haven't eaten or bathed all weekend, etc. She teaches Grade 6. It doesn't matter in the slightest how good of a math teacher she is.

She's has it bad, but I think many people here may be surprised just how common her situation is.

[shoo]

That's a pretty strong argument for increasing the baseline level of social, community, heath, employment services, in addition to a focus on education. likely need to invest in those changes and then keep the programs funded and running with careful adjustements for multiple generations.

i agree, there's only so much a single teacher, or a school full of teachers can do if a lot of other basic needs aren't being met.

[tellarin]

This again links back to the Finish system. It doesn’t stand alone by itself. All the other social services are also in place.