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by tzahola 2919 days ago
>I don't think authoritarian regimes are good at fostering innovation.

Werner Von Braun would disagree.

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On a mostly-unrelated note:

Apparently big difference between the US and Germany in the nuclear race was not science but instead engineering.

Fermi and Oppenheimer were useful to the US effort but Heisenberg probably had the intellectual firepower to do that for Germany.

The REAL advances the US made were in chemical and metallurgical engineering at an industrial scale. Dealing with gaseous and liquid uranium and plutonium compounds took a lot of innovation. And the plants at Hanford and Oak Ridge were ENORMOUS. So if Germany was going to build a bomb they would have needed a massive industrial complex. Not just physicists.

Apparently Leslie Groves commissioned a public report in 1945. He deliberately put a lot of physics in it, but left out the chemical engineering. Because he regarded the latter as the key difficult steps in bomb building. And the physics was mostly known.

Maybe if Germans had not wasted their engineering efforts on idiotic “superweapons” like the Schwerer Gustav [0] or the 130m long V-3 cannon [1], they could have succeeded with their nuclear program.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon

There's something hilariously ironic about that, given the next couple of decades.
Given what?
The Cold War and how nukes turned out to be a much greater superweapon than anything the Germans built.
> Apparently big difference between the US and Germany in the nuclear race was not science but instead engineering.

The tl;dr is: mostly they didn't want to build it. Then funding was cut, because the project went on too slow.

Germany also got rid of a lot of Jews and others that were undesirable for reasons not related to their political views. China is not doing that.
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This is about as related to the comment above, as yours.

(By the way, the death toll of Mao’s cultural revolution clocks in around 50 million.)

50 million? What the hell, that's multiple cities worth of depopulation. There's no way that could be true
It's actually The Great Leap Forward, and even if it's "just" 20 million, which is most likely is, it's both true and atrocious.
>A lower-end estimate is 18 million, while extensive research by Yu Xiguang suggests the death toll from the movement is closer to 55.6 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

Well, it's supporting your argument, as I perceived it. Germany unnecessarily suppressed groups for reasons not related to maintaining its authoritarianism. During the First World War the German army had Jews like Fritz Haber. In the Second they didn't. I don't see China doing the same. If Germany is used as a model for what we can expect from China, then the values we would get have to be adjusted upwards to compensate for China not wasting its human resources* the way Germany did.

>(By the way, the death toll of Mao’s cultural revolution clocks in around 50 million.)

The 1970s wants its news back. China isn't doing that sort of thing anymore.

*There's of course a lot more to the Holocaust than "wasting human resources". Please read this in good faith.

Hmm, ok that makes sense. I’ve misinterpreted it as China apologetism. Mea culpa.

And yes, it’s pretty scary to think about a WWII scenario with Jewish talent on the German side...