[downandout]

It doesn't count when people say we should just open up the borders to anyone that claims that their country is poor or that life in Mexico kind of sucks. I feel bad for them, but that doesn't mean we can take care of them over here. So the "let's let all of Mexico in and we can hold hands and sing kum ba yah" position is not defensible.

Also, why the quotes around "illegal"? When you enter a country illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. Has PC culture gotten so out of hand that simply using the proper legal terminology is now offensive?

[PrimHelios]

>It doesn't count when

So yeah, everything you disagree with doesn't count. Thanks for wasting my time.

[dang]

You crossed into personal attack and incivility in this thread. Please don't, regardless of how wrong someone else is.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[PrimHelios]

Where was my personal attack and incivility? Myself and downandout completely disagree but neither of us where uncivil or attacking each other.

I chose to stop responding before it became a flame war, I have no idea why you would go through this thread, and downvote and flag both of us. What are you talking about?

[dang]

Well, for starters, "So yeah, everything you disagree with doesn't count. Thanks for wasting my time." is entirely uncivil by HN standards. So are "Grow up", "arguing with you is just a waste of time", and other things you've posted. Also, these comments are lacking in information other than that you're irritated, so they're unsubstantive in addition to uncivil.

As we tell everyone, please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. It isn't hard, but it requires wanting to use the site as intended.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[PrimHelios]

"Grow up" is uncivil but threads full of misogyny are fine

Jesus fucking christ. Just fucking delete my account, you people are fucking despicable.

[dang]

That's a pretty nasty imputation so I don't want to let it go unanswered. Obviously "threads full of misogyny" are not fine. Equally obviously, other people behaving badly doesn't make it ok for you to.

[downandout]

What exactly are you suggesting? That we simply open up the border?

[dang]

Please stop using HN for political flamewar.

[PrimHelios]

People disagreed, this isn't a fucking flamewar. This site allows literal misogyny, but two people having a heated disagreement is a fucking flamewar?

[downandout]

I’m not sure how I’ve done that. I was asking a question; I’m trying to understand a position that many seem to have (being in favor of illegal immigration) that seems unfathomable to me.

[PrimHelios]

The HN mods seem to have some form of issue with our disagreement and have downvoted and flagged this entire thread.

[DoreenMichele]

Just an FYI: Members can downvote and flag. Attributing that solely to the mods is inaccurate.