[ginger123]

Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job?

EDIT: Why am I being downvoted?

I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now?

I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting illegal immigration don't have skin in the game.

P.S. I am not stereotyping all dreamer kids, anecdotally, my wife who works in a school told me some of her best students are dreamers.

[aoeusnth1]

Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.

[ginger123]

What if they are taking your job. They are of course taking away someone's job.

[istjohn]

The economy isn't zero-sum. Additional workers require additional housing, food, durable goods, entertainment, services, etc. creating additional demand for yet more workers to produce those goods and services. The economy isn't an assembly line with X number of positions to be filled. It is dynamic and growth begets growth.

In fact, as birth rates decline in the first world and countries' populations age, immigration is becoming an important lever to maintain a sufficient supply of labor to fund retiree's pensions and healthcare.

[krapp]

It's not "your" job. It belongs to your employer, and they can give it to whomever they decide.

Although, granted, they can't legally give it to an illegal immigrant, they can still legally not let you keep it.

[aoeusnth1]

The more goods and capital a society needs, the more jobs there are. If you doubled the population, there would be double the demand for nearly everything, and double the corresponding jobs.

[chris_wot]

This sort of statement is not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.

[briantakita]

That's true. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the human trafficking economy, the drug economy, & the sub-minimum wage work economy than they get out of it.

The real beneficiaries are the oligarchs pushing the open borders agenda.

Why not make their homelands better places to live instead? Why must all culture & communities be perpetually disrupted with war, economic liberalism, socialism, drugs, human trafficking?

Let's fix the root issues. Most of these people would rather have good homes with intact communities where they are from. Who wants to be a refugee or an illegal immigrant?

Let's be pro-human for a change, without the fake double-speak that destroys culture & families.

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Edit: Why the downvotes? Are you pro human trafficking?

[noobermin]

I agree with your latter parts. For example, the Iraq war takes a lot of blame for the refugee crisis in Europe. For the second sentence, I'm not sure the first bit is true and paints large swathes of people with the worst examples of them.

[briantakita]

I'm not talking about generalizations about people. I'm talking about the integrity of systems.

Here's an analogy. What happens when you open the membrane of a cell? Would it be atomist to not allow anything & everything to penetrate into the internals of the cell?

The USA has the benefit of a strong economy & a strong set of laws. When you open the border, the laws are weakened while criminal elements that have been nurtured in states with weaker laws (& weakened culture) are naturally drawn to the strong economy & weakened set of laws.

All one needs to do is look around for the proof. Illegal Fentanyl & Heroin is trafficked through Mexico. Law abiding Mexican people are the victims of gruesome cartel violence.

5 of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the world are in Mexico. All of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the world are in Mexico, Venezuela, and Brazil. Something very wrong is happening & opening the borders in NOT the solution. In fact, it's part of the same system, with the same people being responsible, that is destroying these countries.

We need to look beyond labels (e.g. Humanitarian) and look at the results of the works. Sometimes what is seen as a "good deed" is really a Trojan Horse of misery.

One thing about psychopathy; these people don't care about ideology. They care about dominating others & will collaborate with other psychopaths, across ideologies, to further their aims.

Open Borders is push by wealthy people who don't have to deal with the consequences. They benefit from destroying the surrounding culture because with a debased culture, they can dominate the population. Many are also manipulative. They will encourage outrage over myopic matters, to control the narrative to distract everybody from the real issues at play.

[slededit]

Most of America is empty and teeming with opportunity. Source: driving across the country right now.

[AnIdiotOnTheNet]

If someone wants to do my job better than me for the same or less money, they're welcome to it.

[philliphaydon]

If you went to America, legally, got a work visa etc and got a job, then lost that job to someone who sneeked in across the border or overstayed a visitor visa, you would welcome it?

[sanderjd]

What advantage is my employer gaining by hiring the illegal immigrant instead of continuing to employ me? Would it be that they can pay them less than minimum wage or avoid paying payroll taxes or avoid paying for mandatory benefits? If so, my problem is with my employer, not with the illegal immigrant that replaced me.

[ionised]

It would mean perhaps I wasn't as valuable as I convinced myself I was.

I would then try to improve myself and get a job where I cannot be easily replaced by someone who likely doesn't even speak the local language.

[krapp]

It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.

[ginger123]

You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention.

Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me.

The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.

[krapp]

>You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention.

My comment was a single sentence, and it wasn't about what I wanted but about what many American business sectors do.

Like it or not, the US benefits greatly from illegal labor. Having a "merciless" immigration policy in a country full of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants otherwise happy to exploit illegal immigration en masse is hypocritical.

>The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants.

No, the most humane policy is to treat people humanely, not warn them beforehand of your intent to do otherwise.

[ionised]

You're really grasping at straws here.