[camgunz]

This is whataboutism. Nothing the West does compares to China's firewall and blanket surveillance, even if we stipulate we live in a corporatocracy and include the private surveillance of Facebook, Google, et al (which would make for an unfair comparison). I'm no apologist for the West's behavior or any of the things you point out, but let's not try and minimize the human rights violations China's committing -- and actually proud of, for what it's worth.

[jexah]

I think the point was something like JP's "clean your room before you try to change the world".

Let's fix our system before we go grand-standing about China.

[fouric]

Don't forget the "social credit" system that explicitly penalizes any citizen who disagrees with any government policy.