[anon23423532]

They tariffed our "allies" because our "allies" allow China to setup shell corporations in their countries so China can abuse trade agreements to get around direct tariffs. In return they make billions for being willing to stab the US in the back.

We need to do this because China steals 300 billion dollars in IP from American corporations every year, in addition to illegally subsidizing their companies to steal global market share

[linuxps2]

China also gives us goods far below what we could produce them for which lowers our cost of living. Complaining about China stealing $300b (I'll use your number because it doesn't really matter) in IP is like complaining about high school kids stealing Adobe CC - it's a theoretical loss, they weren't going to be a customer regardless. Tariffs don't even do anything to prevent IP theft

[anon23423532]

It gives Chinese companies a competitive advantage because instead of spending billions on R&D they just steal it.

The point is that the tariffs will be removed IF China stops stealing IP

[linuxps2]

That's the dumbest way to enforce IP law. Just take the companies to court in the US if they sell in the US or international court if selling to other countries where Chinese companies compete with American manuf. - tariffs just aren't a good way to do this as it royally fucks American consumers

[raesene9]

You got a Citation for Canada and the EU allowing Chinese steel shell companies (the recent tariffs against canada and the EU targeted steel)?

I'd not heard that argument at all so far.

[anon23423532]

"North American content required to qualify for NAFTA is set at between 50-60 percent under Chapter 4. With this low bar, many PRC goods and services can be regarded as Canadian products"

It's not just steel, it's basically any product due to NAFTA.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/344621-...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta/nafta-meeting...

https://www.tecma.com/nafta-rules-of-origin-important/

[selectodude]

A name with a bunch of numbers behind it spouting off unsourced nonsense is trademark Russian bots on Twitter, so I'd just leave it alone.

[dang]

This violates the HN guidelines against insinuating astroturfing and calling names in arguments. Please read them and follow them when posting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[s2g]

and yet the other response is exactly what that post described.

If people are discussing in good faith, why aren't they willing to do it on an account that matters to them?

[dang]

I'm not sure I follow you, but it doesn't sound related to the issue of needing to follow the site guidelines when posting here, regardless of what someone else is 'spouting'. We're all spouting something.

[DenisM]

It’s against the rules to accuse the other participants of being bots or shills. Please address the argument, not the person.