[mseebach]

It's common, to the point of being an age-old popular culture trope, for people turning 30 to be very nostalgic about their late teens/early 20s.

You changed. So did I. The world did too, for sure, but the 17 year olds of today will miss the pure and uncorrupted world of 2018 when they turn 30.

[dmm]

I agree. All aspects of the world only stay the same or improve with time. When society changes the consequences are never a compromise. Instead the result is universally positive. So when someone expresses their appreciation of something from the past that no longer exists that opinion is invalid and the result of nostalgic delusion.

Furthermore there is nothing to be learned or gained from observations of past conditions. Why would we want to recreate something worse than what we have now?

[spronkey]

Pretty sure plenty of things are objectively worse than they were before. Being able to afford a house in most western cities, for one.

[dmm]

I was attempting to point out the grandparents error by elaborating their argument in an outlandish way. I clearly failed. Sorry about that.

[dolessdrugs]

It's the full stop after "I agree." that makes the statement lose your intention.

[spronkey]

You're completely right. I was on the fence as to whether it was sarcasm or not, decided not based on "I agree.".

Well done, internet intention interpreter dolessdrugs.

[mseebach]

For the record, I caught and appreciated the sarcasm -- but it's very difficult to pull off in writing.

[21]

Exactly this.

Another classic example, the 30+ of today comment on YouTube videos from 15 years ago how amazing it was, and how shit the music of today is, forgetting that 15 years ago their parents said the exact same thing about the music of the day.

[bitwize]

Ah, but teenagers comment on how amazing my music (80s-early 90s) was, and how shit their music is. So I feel a bit justified in saying my tunes were objectively better.

[21]

Some teenagers.

Who do you think is driving the music charts today?

[ccajas]

I wonder for how long traditional style of music charts and albums sales hold up for when digital streaming and downloading is becoming the norm.

[21]

Today's music charts are already basically Spotify/Apple/YouTube streams.

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2018/06/kanye-west-ye-album-domin...

[spronkey]

Music is, in the last 15 years, demonstrably homogenising though (in regards to what could be considered mainstream).

So at least in that regard it's arguably much worse than it was 15 years ago when many different genres were alive and well.

[cirgue]

> Music is, in the last 15 years, demonstrably homogenising though

This is definitely a trend that isn't unprecedented: the popularity of grunge was in some ways a reaction to the homogeneity of music during the 80s. Rock was a rebellion against pretty much all mainstream music at the time it became popular. Our generation had indie rock. Music is definitely one arena where there are identifiable ebs and flows in terms of creative output and commercial dominance of a particular sound.

I suspect that a similar reaction to the ultra-commercialized nature of FB/instagram/reddit. There certainly seem to be enough dissatisfied people that we may see a 'kill your television' moment for social media in the next few years.

[spronkey]

I agree that there is a bit of a cyclical nature to the homogeneity of music, but the homogenisation we've seen in the last 15 years has been unprecedented in modern times. It's not just the genres, it's also the people involved in the industry. The number of top flight producers is much smaller now than it was 20 years ago, and those producers are involved in almost all the mainstream chart music. The number of writers is smaller, and the music gets produced in a similar way, lessening the importance of musical ability by the artist.

My personal theory is that the movement away from 'record stores' has really killed discoverability of new music and genres, and most of the new platforms just feed you more of the same music you already listen to.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next decade, you may be absolutely right about a backlash against the ultra-commercialised nature of some of our modern toys.