[tom_mellior]

> It's really hard to know what to do here.

Is it? It looks like the natural language processing part is simply not very good. Improve that.

> I'd try to detect that kind of pseudo-science question

That wouldn't fix the general problem that this system seems to treat sentences of the form "some people incorrectly claim X" as an assertion that X is a fact.

[nl]

Is it? It looks like the natural language processing part is simply not very good. Improve that

It’s really hard to avoid a sarcastic reply here.

The AllenAI institute probably has the 3rd best know NLP team in the world after Google and Facebook. They basically have Washington State NLP group.

Given that, and their impressive record of publications (eg ELMO) I think it’s fair to say that they are trying.

[tom_mellior]

I'm sure they are very good on some things, and I'll believe you when you say that they are the 3rd best in the world in relative terms.

But let's look at absolute terms. In the example above, "History is full of such prejudices paraded as iron laws that men are superior to women; that the white races are superior to the colored", it takes a part of the sentence and treats it as a fact, disregarding the context that just happens to claim the opposite. In my example in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17301383 it treates a question as an assertion of a fact.

I'm not an expert on NLP, but I have played with it just enough to confidently claim that this is not very impressive performance.

If you claim that detecting "pseudo-science questions" is within reach, surely you must agree that "not mistaking questions for assertions of fact" and "not ripping parts of sentences out of context" must be within reach as well?

[nl]

Detecting pseudo-science questions is just topic detection. That's easy.

not mistaking questions for assertions of fact is basically claim verification. That's pretty much beyond the reach of NLP systems at the moment. It's an active area of research, but if this system doesn't impress you then current claim verification systems most definitely won't either.

Trying to understand the context of sentences might be possible. I think that sentence would challenge that approach for a while: "prejudices" implies bias, but doesn't necessarily imply disagreement.

[tom_mellior]

> not mistaking questions for assertions of fact is basically claim verification. That's pretty much beyond the reach of NLP systems at the moment.

Ah, OK. I guess you are one of those people for whom NLP is only the newfangled statistical stuff, not the old-school NLP that looks at grammar and such things to (surprisingly) find that "X is a Y ." and "is X a Y ?" are not the same sequence of tokens.

> Trying to understand the context of sentences might be possible.

I didn't say they must understand the context. I said that if they don't understand it, they shouldn't choose a substring out of that sentence and claim that it is an assertion of fact on its own.

[nl]

not the old-school NLP that looks at grammar and such things to (surprisingly) find that "X is a Y ." and "is X a Y ?" are not the same sequence of tokens

I do that too. It works great - for easy cases. But it fails very quickly on just normal texts.

So something like Stanford's CoreNLP Open Information Extraction splits "History is full of such prejudices paraded as iron laws that men are superior to women; that the white races are superior to the colored" into two claims[1].

There's no useful dependency between the two clauses.

OpenIE 5[2] (no relationship with the Stanford project) generally outperforms CoreNLP for open information extraction. In this case I'm doubtful it would do any better. Ironically, OpenIE is now run AllenAI, and has exactly this problem!

Even worse, it has determined that "No white person" is a synonym for "white person"! That should be well within the state of the art to avoid.

But generally, I'm not saying it is correct: I'm saying it's hard.

[1] http://corenlp.run/

[2] https://github.com/dair-iitd/OpenIE-standalone

[3] http://openie.allenai.org/search?arg1=White&rel=superior&arg...

[tom_mellior]

> It works great - for easy cases.

The question in question (haha) was "Who is smarter?".