[WalterBright]

Military stuff, sure. The civil aviation stuff, no. Boeing did try to sell the military the 747 as a tanker, but that went nowhere and Boeing did not receive any government dev funding for it.

The 707 did have a tanker version, the KC-135, but that happened after the 707 was flying. The 707 was funded entirely out of profits.

[samatman]

Walter, you didn't say the 747 wasn't profitable, you said it wasn't subsidized.

Boeing is subsidized by the USG, there's no realistic debate on that. That subsidy applies across their product line.

[WalterBright]

I'd appreciate it if you could be specific about government funding for the 747.

[_Codemonkeyism]

I'd appreciate if you could show how the credit rating, stocks, employee training and business management of the civilian part and the military part of Boeing are two things. Additionally it would be nice to show the R&D firewall between the military and civilian parts of Boeing.