| >How often do utilities compete? They don't often compete directly for you; the government gives them local monopoly. They compete to sell excess product on the open markets, which is why energy trading is a massive industry. By competing on that market, they indirectly compete for you, since your utilities can often buy capability from other markets. In short your pipes are limited, but the product you get from them is created in open markets, with your utility company being the last middleman in the chain to deliver goods locally. It's also why you can sell capability back into electrical grids in many places. There's a market for it. So in that sense, probably every one of them competes. This trading directly happens because there is no central planning. Central planning, as usual, is inferior to letting pricing determine how goods move. Your claim was this industry was an example of central planning, but it is not. Capability is not centrally planned - markets react to move goods where they are best prices by local merchants, like any other free market good. If you've never seen how this works here's an intro[1] >Also no one has actually done UBI long term and on a large scale If there is evidence that it fails on short term and small scale do we really need to make it bigger and longer to hurt more people before we address the reasons it fails? There have been several places that have tried portions of it, and they have matched what economic theory said would happen. At some point it needs a new idea or method before more people are subjected to historically damaging ideas. UBI is simply welfare for more people. Those paying for it necessarily get less than with no UBI, and those getting it will receive more welfare. No UBI proposal I have seen is anything more than this - tax some people more to give others more. There is ample evidence among countries that more welfare correlates with more people working less, and less overall productivity. Even the Canadian UBI experiments found this to be true. When people work less, less is produced, and as a result society has less. >At this point I feel like you are being disenguous. About utilities? You think they're centrally planned and don't compete in markets. Both are wrong. So I don't think I'm being disingenuous - you're simply uninformed how things work. It's disingenuous to claim you understand something that you have not simply googled to see where your understanding fails, then not admitting it. [1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/042115/under... |