[sametmax]

> But in that alternate universe Apple would still have been a huge success

Replace iPhone with iPod and Apple never reaches this sky it's currently at. It the product that put it back on the map, open the itune cash valve and paved the road for the iphone flag ship product.

The situation is never _exactly_ the same. But you can see a pattern. And history is written by the victors.

> Theranos made VERY negligent statements such as the military using Theranos products(they did not).

Musk, Jobs and the rests lied as well, just on a different scale.

The scale does make it worse, but the mechanism is the same. If Theranos had delivered, nobody would recall this lie.

[cleong]

Your right about history written by victors, however if Theranos delivered would there be fraud? The issue at hand is that she said she delivered when she did not.

[sametmax]

Of course, but failing show it as the fraud it is. Succeeding would have made it appear just like a "risky bet".