[s73v3r_]

"You're not just "giving people a head's up". You're also making a claim that IanDrake is, essentially, being dishonest."

Because I believe they are, if not just with us, then with themselves.

"You want to point out (what you perceive to be) the actual results of someone's position? Fine. Feel free to do so. But don't claim that they believe those results but are unwilling to say so. You don't have the knowledge to make that claim, so you are being dishonest when you do so."

And I disagree. Those outcomes are very, very obvious. If you do not realize those outcomes, then you are being dishonest.

[IanDrake]

Yeah, except that in reality there have been and still are working examples of people voluntarily being able to join unions.

So I’m not sure why you’re so sure you’re right when the real world contradicts your predictions.