[pacala]

The error messages are quite good. There are extensive logs. There are plenty of probes in the system. Just the other day we `kubectl exec <pod_name> /bin/bash` to test network connectivity for a new service.

To the best of my exposure, Kubernetes is a well engineered system.

[tannhaeuser]

The point is that automation software for admin tasks is a zero-sum game: the more a tool does, the less your devops staff will be able to leverage their know-how. The more magic your orchestration does, the less your ops will be able to fix prod problems. And for getting anything done with k8s you'll need a whole staff of very expensive experts.

[peterwwillis]

Look at it this way. Kubernetes is a Tesla Model X, and scripts/aws/cron is an electric scooter.

You can try to go cross-country with either of them. One was engineered to survive extreme environments, protect you from the elements, and move really fast. The other was engineered to leave you exposed, operate in a moderate climate, and go much slower.

If you have problems with the former, it's time to call the technicians. If you have problems with the latter, you might fix it yourself with a pocket screwdriver.