[djsumdog]

I really like the linked Vue/Jquery article in the story as well. I've built some stuff in Vue and I really like it. It can be incredibly simple.

I'm not a huge fan of React. I'm really not a fan of any site that requires Javascript to view. If it's a new article and I get a blank page, I immediately stick it in archive.is. I'm not turning on Javascript for your site just to view content. Fuck that. Fix your site to not suck shit.

I realize you can easily get into the same thing with Vue .. and I think Vue, React and others, makes sense if you're actually running a web application. Your main page, login page and other content pages should be static, no Javascript required. If you have a new site or a blog or graphics, why the hell are you requiring React/Vue/Angular or some other framework? Just display the content.

I haven't really looked into server-side rendering, but I suspect that still requires Javascript to be enabled on the client? Are there any newer Vue/React style front-end frameworks that are designed to still degrade gracefully without Javascript? (I suppose you can't really do this without pairing it with the backend language on the server).

I really like how Hackernews still supports a Javascript-less system, even for things like up/down votes (although I still turn JS on for HN to avoid page refreshes).

[tracker1]

React can definitely use Server-side rendering... but it's often used for pre-render caching, and even doughnut caching to bootstrap the full application on the client, so you see content sooner. But, it's entirely possible to pre-render and degrade gracefully.

Is it worth the effort for a fraction of a percent of technical users whining about the need for JS? probably not.

[UlisesAC4]

When javascript Is disabled you just loose the pwa features, pages are full loaded as html.

For SSR you are sending the HTML text instead of JSON. Time ago you needed nodejs for SSR I do not know the alternatives today.