[Keloo]

> It's none of <oversea corporation XYZ>'s business to know where I've been

Totally agree with you.

What I'm trying to say is that the `location history` as a feature makes sense in google maps, because, well it's a map app.

But the fact that FB knows where I've been even though I don't have the FB app on the phone, only the Messenger Lite, is a total surprise to me.

[RaleyField]

> well it's a map app.

20 years ago when the world ran on paper maps people didn't need to communicate their location to map makers via phone, so why would they have that need now?

[Keloo]

We are not 20 years ago, the location history can be useful to a lot of people and in a map app this feature deserve it's place (with the possibility to opt out of course).

I understand your frustration, but I think we are exaggerating a bit because of these FB scandals. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure Google is abusive in data collecting too. But it doesn't mean we need to cut all the nice features from now days technology.

P.S. Overall I agree with your point, and I think GDPR is a good start in regulating Evil corps. Hope I don't contribute to your headache today :)

[RaleyField]

> We are not 20 years ago

We both know that, but if you tried to say that people's needs have radically changed in that time then I fail to see how.

> can be useful to a lot of people

It sounds to me more like an excuse product managers have come up with to explain away why one would plausibly use an invasive feature most people wouldn't give informed consent for. And a lot of people isn't most people or most informed people. I would think most people would be satisfied with offline location bookmarking just as they were with sharpie scribbling 20 years ago. And if they were properly informed they probably wouldn't agree to 24/7 tracking with a chance of loan or job denial on the off chance that it will help them find a place they've forgot to bookmark and couldn't possibly find it via google no matter how hard they tried.

> GDPR is a good start in regulating Evil corps

Yes, evil corps are evil but GDPR is completely mindbogglingly shit start. And it makes things worse. Ask yourself, how do you authenticate a person who emailed you GDPR data request? How do you know you aren't talking with your user's spouse or a hacker and are make things worse for that user by dumping data to requester?

[lostlogin]

> How do you know you aren't talking with your user's spouse or a hacker and are make things worse for that user by dumping data to requester?

Playing devils advocate here - don’t store a single thing more than needed. It’s a toxic liability.

[RaleyField]

> don’t store a single thing more than needed

Easier said than done and is harder than what sanctimonious pricks that designed this law probably had in mind.

Everyone with presence on Apple's platforms fears them like the wrath of God and you can't risk not storing data that your users _volunteered_ if that will help you stay on Apple's good side by having better control over more abusive portion of your users.

Then there's the question of whether it is ethical to delete data that was volunteered that could however aid in discovering criminals that chose to abuse your system. Authors of these laws probably think that and nsa would know that I would often seem to agree with them but deep down I'm not so sure as I have deep suspicion that we are cared for and our european security is deeply dependent on arrangements similar to ones done in bletchley. If it's moral for them to store data then it should be by analogy for us. Or in short I dread that my inaction on my web properties would aid existing criminality so out of ethical considerations I'd rather store more.

But now with GDPR I have fears of scenarios like someone admitting to cheating on their spouse on my properties, deleting that info later on, then the spouse discovering that through GDPR request and committing physical violence. Or dictators hunting dissidents by submitting GDPR requests over european VPN. (edit: maybe they wouldn't even need VPN as I'm from EU and would have to grant requests irrespective of user's citizenship? headache)

I don't want to contribute to either scenario but it would seem EU is thrusting this headache of a choice on me, so as a citizen of EU country, fuck the EU.

[7Z7]

>if you tried to say that people's needs have radically changed in that time then I fail to see how.

Their needs have changed, because their expectations have changed. 20 years ago I didn't expect my map to be able to ask my calendar when I had to be at a place, to figure out ahead of time the best route. It's a niche example but I think the point stands.