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by kinsomo 2946 days ago
>> Wow, they (Google) really keep everything.. They've still got my trip to Europe from 5 years ago on there, not sure how that's useful to them at this point haha.

> They know you've traveled to Europe, they know all the places you went and how long you were in each one. How is that not useful?

But how is deriving those facts from 5 year old location data actually useful to them? AFAIK, they don't try to drive "engagement" by inducing nostalgia with push notifications [1]. I don't really see the use of old data like that for ad-targeting beyond a coarse "travels internationally"-type categories that don't really require keeping the data around.

[1] Remember when you were in Europe? Wasn't it fun? We were there too, following you. Please, please log on now to see what we tracked!

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> I don't really see the use of old data like that for ad-targeting

Ad-targeting is not the only use Google has for data. Google's core view of the world is that useful signals can be extracted from data; the more data you gather, the more useful signal you can extract in the future, even if we don't currently know how to find it. In short, gather all the data, and apply machine learning to it until it produces useful (monetizable) results[1].

Maybe Google will find ways to use this data for advertising, or maybe it has an obvious use in some future project that we won't understand for decades. The point is that we don't currently know all of the uses for data, but Google is betting that those uses will eventually be discovered.

The longer the data exists and the larger the database becomes, it's value increases. Higher value means increases potential profit for a hacker. (or being sold in the future if financial stability fails)

The problem with letting Google have this data is the same bet that Google is making: we don't know all of the ways data can be used, but it's likely that many innovative uses will discovered in the future. Unfortunately, while Google is probably only considering the subset of uses that are useful for business, the full set of uses that will be discovered will inevitably contain uses that are very dangerous to some people. An obvious example is the recent attempt to determine sexual orientation from portraits[2]. Does data about where you went 5 years ago reveal something important about you when combined with the many other features Google knows about you in a big deep learning model?

[1] If the underlying assumptions are true and if it will necessarily produce useful (monetizable) results are open questions.

[2] https://osf.io/zn79k/

> AFAIK, they don't try to drive "engagement" by inducing nostalgia with push notifications [1].

They definitely do this with Google Photos "revisit this day" stuff, but it seems just an engagement play than a direct monetization one.

Did they go on a long distance vacation every year? They're probably a good target for travel ads. They're probably also in a higher income bracket then someone who's only going on local trips.
They know you're wealthy enough to travel to Europe. They know you might buy airplane tickets. They can show you ads for other international destinations.

If nothing else, they can sell ads against you for "Category: Travelled to X place within the last Y years".

Thought experiment: your phone could know you liked a particular tourist spot because you spent a lot of time there, and later on when you upload pictures from your DSLR to Google Photos, the system will notice that there are a lot of photos that are timestamped within the time range when you were at that tourist spot.

And data mining can tell that people who like that tourist spot A in country X also liked tourist spot B in city G in country Y a lot, so, tourism board of city G/country Y, here's a good target for your ad.

And not just tourist stuff. Data mining might even tell they like a particular brand of, I don't know, yoghurt, so let's sell some of that yoghurt!

* travel suggestions for other places you might like

* ad targeting based on specific locations you've been to

Sounds useful enough to keep the data and there might be more uses in the future.