[notyme]

It is tragic that being "devout hindu" has turned into "Us vs. Them" when in fact hindu religion advocates universality for all living beings (chetana) even non-living (jada) but the profound lessons are conveniently overlooked for sectarian politics. The core message of Bhagvata-Gita and Bhagvata-Purana, two of the most revered scriptures is the "Everything is the Lord, there is nothing besides the Lord" Bhagvada-Gita Chapter 7 Verse 19,

bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ

"Vasudevah sarvam iti", everything is the Lord there is nothing besides the Lord.

Jesus Christ said "If you do not love your brother whom you can see, how can you love God whom you cannot see?"

If "devout hindus/christians/etc" realize this message the World could be heaven on earth.

After most hindu prayers there is invocation of "Shanti Shanti Shanti" i.e. Peace Peace Peace to All.

It is most unfortunate that such ancient religion has forgotten its core principle.

[0]https://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/7/19

[aq3cn]

I made a statement saying that I feel that people of my community dont have global voice. It is my perception.

You quoted/misquoted from here or there and proved me sectarian along with saying we forgot our core principle.

Let me start:

Did you hear about this controvercy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_textbook_controvers...

When I say I am alone, I mean that I dont expect my fair representation in global stage as in the example above.

Looks like you know a bit about Gita. Allow me to ask two simple question?

1. Why did Krishna guide Arjun to kill Kaurawa?

2. Why did Krishna belive that Duryodhan does not deserve power?

If you cannot answer these simple questions, please dont preach me anything about Gita.

[notyme]

You deleted your previous question while I was composing...

>1. Why did Krishna guide Arjun to kill Kaurawa?

After Pandavas completed their 13 years of exile imposed by Kauravas and demanded for half of the kingdom which was rightfully theirs, Duryodhana adamantly refused. Lord Krishna wanted to avoid war so he went to negotiate with Kauravas on behalf of Pandavas and he asked for just 5 villages instead of half the kingdom, Duryodhana famously replied "Without war, I will not yield even the amount of land on a pinhead",so war was inevitable.

> 2. Why did Krishna believe that Duryodhan does not deserve power?

Had Duryodhana acceded to Lord Krishna's demand of mere 5 villages instead of half kingdom, Duryodhana and inturn Kauravas would have lived but Duryodhana was envious of Pandavas and that led to his downfall.

Initially, Arjuna is reluctant to take up arms against his own cousins but Lord Krishna advocated that doing nothing is also doing something i.e. tolerating injustice is also a sin as a warrior. Arjuna was thus convinced of his duty as warrior and was victorious in this holy war/ dharma yudha.

Hence,it was Duryodhana's own undoing and in this "holy war", i.e. "dharma yuddha", the Kauravas perished.

P.S: In India, the word "dharma" is mistranslated as "religion" but its true meaning is duty. One of the key precepts of Bhagvata-Gita is to perform your duties without expectation of fruit of your labour i.e. nishkama karma yoga.

Feel free to query further. Peace.

[aq3cn]

I deleted my earlier response, because it was not logically ordered for others to make sense. So I rewrote it.

I still dont know if you agree with me on this that Hindus dont have fair representation in english speaking global media or textbooks.

Your answers are factual, and lack psychological dimension. So let me add another question.

From your answers, it appears that it was easier for Krishna to convince Arjuna to kill his brothers & relatives than convincing Duryodhan of giving up five villages. If Krishna was really a god or god like, why/how did he fail to convince Duryodhan for giving up villages? What stoped him for pursuing Duryodhan one more time? Why Krishna's "godly" influence didnt work on Duryodhan? Why was war necessary?

few additions to your answer:

Dharma also means people with character, thats why Yudhisthir is known as Dharmraaj. Its opposite is Adharmi (अधर्मी) which means undisciplined person.

I dont think Dharma yuddha will translate into "Holy war". Dharma also means discipline or law. So Dharma yuddha means a war to bring law on the land. It is similar to how various countries are attempting to bring self-sustaining democracy in Afganistan.

[notyme]

The total count of human warriors participating in Mahabharata was approximately 3,936,600[0]. Of which less than 10 warriors survive the devastating war. Five Pandavas, Lord Krishna, Ashwatthama, Kripacharya etc.

>Barbarik

The character Barbarik[1] was so powerful that whichever side he chose Pandavas/Kauravas they would grow immensely powerful and it was Barbarik's obligation to fight for the weaker side hence he would keep oscillating between both sides thereby killing everyone except himself. Hence Lord Krishna asks his head in charity and in return Barbarik's head is planted atop a hill overseeing the battle.

After the war, victorious Pandavas were rejoicing and there was banter between regiments of Arjuna and Bheema that their leader was pivotal to victory. When the warriors questioned Lord Krishna who was the "Achilles" of the war, the Lord said why don't you approach Barbarik, he has witnessed the war with a panoramic view. On questioning Barbarik responds, though for rest of you it might seem that warriors from both sides killed each other, I saw from my vantage point that the Lord's discus (Sudarshan Chakra) killed everyone. To rid the earth of cruel and unjust kings the war was imperative as per the Lord.

After the war, Lord Krishna visited Gandhari, mother of Duryodhana and Kauravas. Gandhari was devastated on hearing death of her 100 sons, she asked the Lord "O Lord, you are Bhagwan(God), if you wanted, you could you avoided the war and spared my children but you didn't and let annihilation of my children. Just as my family tree has been culled, I curse you O Lord that your clan share the same fate as mine.".

The Lord merely smiled and accepted her curse because after destroying the corrupt warriors, the most powerful family left was his own, the Yadavas or Yadu-Vansh/Yadu-clan. Some time later, the large Yadava family (circa ~millions) gathered for a festival and during merrymaking were heavily intoxicated which lead to eventual fighting in inebriated state and death of entire Yadava-clan except Lord Krishna and Balaram.

>With the above backstory, now we can ponder why did the Lord did not stop the war.

As Gandhari questioned, it was possible for the Lord to avoid war but he did not to teach humanity the savagery of war, brothers killing brothers, uncles their nephews.

>Bhagvata-Gita

The whole of Bhagvata-Gita is instructed by Lord Krishna to Arjuna but Arjuna is merely a medium, every human being is the real focal target. It is instruction on how to lead an ideal life and before death realize the supreme goal of life i.e. moksha/salvation/one-ness with the Lord.

Had the Lord avoided the war we would not have Mahabharata war as example of annihilation of 3.9m warriors.Back to the present age, it took us three colossal World Wars to learn this ancient lesson. Clearly us humans need to be reminded of our lessons repeatedly.

You are correct on Dharma-Yuddha not translating to "holy war", it was my attempt to simplify the idea to western audience.

>On Hindu representation in western media:

Personally, though I am a practicing Hindu, I believe in the concept of "universality" of ancient Hindu tradition and its modern counterpart from the scientist Carl Sagan[2]

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

All of us trace our origin to stars and yet we pigeonhole ourselves into Hindu/Muslim or While/Black. If we are the same at the core and only superficially different why waste precious breaths over petty differences.

Ending with another Carl Sagan quote:

“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akshauhini

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatushyam

[2]https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3237312-cosmos

[eklavya]

Forgotten how? Do you see the percentage of non Hindu population in India going up or going down?