[senoroink]

I'm still convinced that in the world of frontend development, Ember is the only framework that hasn't screwed over its users.

My guess is that at Facebook there's too many smart people with differing opinions. Hence, we have to do an insane amount of research to construct the grab bag of pulling things together. And once that grab bag is complete, Facebook says "here's the new cool way to do it".

Ember on the other hand has happily given you the grab bag and has helped you support your production happens with the most professional, enterprise release structure.

Disclosure: Used to do only frontend development with Ember but switched jobs and now use React/Ember

[hknd]

You are comparing a view library (react) with a full framework (ember). Ofc you are supposed to pull things together with react, that's exactly what's intended.

Compared to react, ember is: slow (1), more difficult to learn (2), has a much smaller community (3) and, most important aspect to me, has a huge footprint (4). (I'm not against ember, it might have some nice aspects and features. It was really nice during the time when they released 1.0. But today I just think their are better options available)

1: https://auth0.com/blog/face-off-virtual-dom-vs-incremental-d... 2: https://guides.emberjs.com/release/ 3: https://github.com/facebook/react vs https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js 4: https://gist.github.com/Restuta/cda69e50a853aa64912d

[senoroink]

I don't disagree with any of your points. React is faster. React has a larger community. All of it, I agree.

But. When it comes to productivity (actually building something and maintaining it), I can achieve way more in Ember.

[boyswan]

I'm only guessing that's because you have prior experience with Ember and are only starting to use react now.

I find code written in ReasonML is 100x more maintainable than anything written in javascript, whether it's react or ember