[jacksmith21006]

That is an excuse. Plus read the privacy agreement and Apple has full access to your data. Here is their privacy agreement for your reference for the US.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

Heck they can collect who you associate with. I quote from the document.

"When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates and products, or invite others to participate in Apple services or forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number. "

Historically been a big Apple hardware user but have to admit less and less. Most being replaced by Google hardware. Do carry both a Pixel 2 XL and a iPhone now as just could wait no longer for Apple to fix their products.

Replaced my Mac with a Pixel Book also for example. As well as our AirPort Extremes with Google WiFi.

I find it baffling that it is now acceptable to have poor products. The Apple that I loved for so many years NEVER settled for being good enough.

[r00fus]

> Replaced my Mac with a Pixel Book also for example. As well as our AirPort Extremes with Google WiFi.

Some of your examples make sense but why replace your Airport with a (data mining built-in) Google WiFi? Why not a known good provider like e.g. Ubiquiti? I use their Amplifi and it works great, no "cloud" crap and their brand is reputable.

[propogandist]

you've quoted a privacy policy that says apple will capture data when you share content, but then go onto say you're using Google products including their Wifi device, which is generally governed by Google's catchall privacy policy, which enables mass data mining.

[jacksmith21006]

Here is Google privacy agreement.

https://policies.google.com/privacy/update

As you can see Google agreement in reality is more limited than Apple. Google does not collect personal data from people you interact with that have not agreed like Apple.

That was my point.

BTW, have Google WiFi and a fantastic product. Replaced our AirPort Extremes and highly recommend.

What I also love is Google provides a dashboard on everything they collect all in one place and you can remove or download if you want. I am in the US and really wish Apple would provide the same transparency as Google.

I tend to be for little government but if Apple is not going to do it on their own like Google then think government should consider forcing them to.

Headlines like

“Apple TV service will share viewing data with networks, report claims”

Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-tv-service-will-sha...

Is really bothersome with Apple. I would like the ability to instead remove my data so they can not share it.

Plus still really bothers me that Apple handed over all their user data in China to the government.

"Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud users"

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

Versus Google decided to leave China instead of giving up their users data.

I am more into the facts versus narratives and marketing.

[squeaky-clean]

It's right in Google's list:

> We collect information about your activity in our services, which we use to do things like recommend a YouTube video you might like. The activity information we collect may include:

And within that list is:

> People with whom you communicate or share content

I think this one little bullet point is way more vague than Apples and less limiting.

[jacksmith21006]

It is very different to have access to your data versus people you interact with.

Apple privacy agreement allows them to collect data on my wife, kids and others I interact with.

I am pretty OK with my data being at Google. But NOT ok with data being collected from people I interact with.

Then on top Google has their dashboard in the US with everything they collect in one place and the ability to remove or download.

We have nothing like it in the US with Apple and that really bothers me. What data do they have on my kids or friends since I interact with them?

I carry both an iPhone and a Pixel 2 XL. But several of my kids have iPhones so when on holiday will share my location in iMessages but have no idea what Apple is doing with the data. No transparency like Google.

Then the entire thing where Apple handed all their customer data over to the China government have a huge issue with. I like Google approach where the China government tried to hack Gmail accounts and Google indicated not acceptable and left the country.

Seems like Apple was willing to give up their users data for the mighty buck.

To be clear I do NOT think it is acceptable to be collecting data on people I interact with! These people should be able to control if their data is collected and their control of it getting collected should be respected!

Some might not want Apple collecting it and I should never get to say it is OK for others.

My brother for example is very, very against any company having his data. He does not use an iPhone. Do not think he uses any Apple products.