[dvcrn]

I wish Apple the best, but the truth is that AI powered software made by Apple just isn't good. But I still prefer Apples stance to data privacy a lot more than what Google does, even if it means it's a bit behind.

But at this point, I think the only ways to catch up is to gobble up a few AI powered startups with their cash.

[IkmoIkmo]

I don't know, that feels a bit like saying a decade ago that Google built a search engine, what in the world do they know about building a mobile operating system?

If this fails, I don't think 'Apple has little experience with building AI-driven software' will be a prominent reason. It would in a simulated world where Apple was not allowed hire any expertise, acquire any companies or technology and spend none of its cash, but could only divert the engineers who worked on Siri to this project. Sure. But that just isn't the case.

[hammock]

> what in the world do they know about building a mobile operating system?

They don't. Android was an acquisition and so was Waymo.

[nkristoffersen]

My understanding of the story is Android was nearly completely re-written after the iPhone announcement. The first Android phone was very different from what Google purchased.

[patrickaljord]

Waymo was not an acquisition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waymo#History

[blattimwind]

Android is not a good operating system, either. They still haven't figured out updates FFS.

[konraditurbe]

Well, android is open source so manufacturers can add their stuff and manufacturers decide when to update their devices (if at all). Google is being more strict on updates, as well as adding Project Treble which makes updating a device a breeze.

[brandonsometig]

That's like saying Linux hasn't figured out updates yet. It's a false argument.

[IkmoIkmo]

I think you missed my point...

[mda]

You think android and waymo is built by the people who came with acqusitions?

[mbreese]

At the time... yes. That's the point of an acquisition - to buy talent/skills/tech when you don't have that talent in-house (or to augment existing talent).

Now, many years later and with normal amounts of turn over? That's a different question all together.

[hammock]

Yes of course. The parts of Android and Waymo that matter most were already built, or are being built, by folks from the acquired company.

[joshuamorton]

Given that at acquisition, the android team was <30 people, and it had to be mostly rewritten before it was originally launched, and has been significantly changed since then, I think this is blatantly false ;)

[bitmapbrother]

>They don't. Android was an acquisition and so was Waymo.

What they bought likely doesn't even exist anymore in the current code base.

Additionally, the origin of iOS is based on Apple's acquisition of NeXT.

[hammock]

And no one loves Apple because of iOS...

[jfoster]

I don't think it's fair to compare this with other Apple projects. It's quite likely that they've hired specifically for this.

[abritinthebay]

Isn’t good? That’s rather hyperbolic of you.

Is good enough for the cast majority of users but not as slick and quite as feature rich as the competitors? Sure.

But the privacy angle means it’s the only game in town as far as I’m concerned

[lern_too_spel]

The privacy angle is just a marketing ruse for chumps. When your product is worse than all others to the point of being nearly useless, you play up privacy even if you're collecting the same information (as with iCloud apps) and simply not processing it correctly, pretending that processing the data is anti-privacy.

[millstone]

Ask the people whose Alexa and Google searches was used as evidence against them in court whether privacy is just a "marketing ruse for chumps."

[lern_too_spel]

The correct way to handle this is to leave the option of retaining history up to the user. Most users want to look up what they have asked before. https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2016/06/01/google-home-in...

Apple keeps that history tied to a unique user identifier for six months but doesn't let the user see it.

[pier25]

> it's a bit behind

A bit? The gap is large and only getting larger by the year.

Google has been working on understanding humans for 20 years and building global scale services. It's no coincidence that it is moving much faster than Apple in this space.

[slyfocks]

They’ve hired specifically for this project, and based on the friends I know working on self-driving at Apple vs. Siri at Apple, the self-driving team has a much greater concentration of talent.

[TheForumTroll]

Have you compared their privacy policies? Apple isn't better than Google at all. Look at other comments that breaks it down.

[rsynnott]

The "shove it all in the cloud, and collect all the data on the user forever" approach to "AI" isn't really relevant to cars, anyway, though.

[patrickaljord]

It is actually, Google's test cars have driven millions of miles around in traffic, the data they got from this is being analyzed using the same techniques they use on users data (neural networks and deep learning etc).

[sangnoir]

> Google's test cars have driven millions of miles around in traffic,

Waymo's software also drives plenty of virtual miles in the very same "cloud" using collected data - aspects that gp disparages as irrelevant.