[ryanx435]

This is an even more childish comment. You think you can change how human nature fundamentally works? How naive.

People are selfish and greedy. They always have been. They always will be.

Any solution to a problem that relies on building "a new kind of social momentum" are ignorant at best and actively harmful at worst.

[smilangalang]

You are wrong. In a healthy, high functioning family, values are extremely different than what you describe. The fact that massive amounts of homes are broken, with the children only being raised by one parent, the prevalence of drug abuse, "substance" abuse such as caffeine and sugar, poor diets and habits... Is not human nature, it's a systemic illness. These two things are not the same.

[jabgrabdthrow]

You sound like you’re trying to be edgy. Are Democracy and Polio Vaccines actively harmful?

Parent comment is right.

[ryanx435]

Oh are we listing arbitrary inventions or historical events to prove our points?

People are selfish and greedy:

Subprime mortgage crisis

Enron

George Soros shorting the British pound

The entire Mongolian expansion and their culture of rape and pillaging

* Small time Nazi officers stealing Jewish people's wedding rings

* Too big to fail

* Literally any employment contract where people are laid less than market value.

* Thieves exist.

* Murderers exist

* Corruption exists

* Swindlers exist

I guess that acknowledging human nature is edgy now. Well, fuck it. I must be edgy then.

[ionised]

For each of those destructive things you mentioned I could name a positive and contributing thing.

Humans aren't all bad or all good. It's a spectrum of traits and behaviours, and they absolutely can be altered and conditioned.