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by starbuzz 2953 days ago
Hyperapp is Elm for the rest of us. I wouldn't compare it to React as they are solving slightly different problems. Hyperapp's state management is built-into the framework. In this way, Hyperapp is a tad more "high-level" (abstract) than React.
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agentultra 2953 days ago
> Hyperapp is Elm for the rest of us.

Curious who you think Elm is for?

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starbuzz 2953 days ago
Elm is for anyone. I love Elm.

"for the rest of us" is a common English language idiom/phrase.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/41687/meaning-of...

I know the idiom mostly from For Dummies' books. I'm implying that Elm, while great, is not as user-friendly, intuitive or easy to use as Hyperapp.

I'm saying that Hyperapp is deeply inspired by Elm, but also designed with extreme devotion to details, minimalism, and simplicity.

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agentultra 2947 days ago
> I'm implying that Elm, while great, is not as user-friendly, intuitive or easy to use as Hyperapp

First, Elm is designed to be user friendly. The designers of the language have put effort into ensuring the error messages are understandable. The messages even include information on how to potentially resolve them! Elm's error messages are much more friendly than most Javascript error messages I've seen.

Second, there is nothing intuitive about programming. If there were we wouldn't need years of training to gain proficiency: you could simply give a human being a computer and they would be able to do it in the absence of conscious reasoning. Despite our best efforts and research there has yet to emerge a language that is intuitive.

> designed with extreme devotion to details, minimalism, and simplicity

I believe Elm is also designed with these concepts in mind.

It sounds like it's not the kind of simplicity you're used to and that may be why Hyperapp is _for you_.

I interpreted the phrase, for the rest of us, to be a false equivalence between all programmers that do not use Elm and programmers with the same opinions and needs as you. I think I understand your point better now but it would have been clearer if you had left out that phrase and enumerated why it's better for people who need X instead.

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