[georgrwasington]

America is over. The class divide has surpassed any reasonable threshold and in time it will only further crystalize. This country needs an Elon Musk to replace every part of the government, which is itself a jobs program at this point. We do not live in "America" anymore.

[nathanaldensr]

I was with you until your Musk comment. We don't need more centralization of power; instead, we need decentralization--more local sustainability in place of the just-in-time global economy we live in now.

[redditmigrant]

America or more specifically California has tried local responsibility for zoning of housing and it has created a crippling housing shortage. Local or centralized, sustainability comes from the right incentive structures.

[ccajas]

The other side of his comment about the class divide is kind of telling though. It implies that the middle class is the most unstable of the three major economic classes in the long run. And with the current system of constraints, contents only want to settle in the top or in the bottom.

[nathanaldensr]

I have to agree. No matter what one's political leanings or who one believes is responsible, it seems true. Perhaps this is a reversion to a historical (read: modern civilization) mean? One theory is that the period immediately after World War II was an abnormal period of prosperity for the United States, seeing as how much of the developed world elsewhere was simply destroyed.

[georgrwasington]

My Musk comment was more about how much of NASA had turned into a jobs program than anything.

Take a very simple example, the BMV. We've had good internet now for a couple decades and you still can't do basic transactions without going to the BMV in the middle of the day.

Almost all other government agencies have been entirely immune to technological change as well. They are, jobs programs.

[jvanderbot]

Can you explain why you feel NASA is a jobs program? There's certainly a much larger, constant-stream funding source going to national defense and national sciences. NASA is being paid to continue our usually unprofitable interests in space. Everything else falls under the non-compete restriction. Also, NASA employs some highly employable folks who would make much more in private industry.

[georgrwasington]

I'm actually not going to do this. If you want to have this conversation go read up on it. Not trying to be rude but your question makes it sound like you've never heard the idea before. Given that, I feel like you're not ready to have this conversation. ...I'm trying not to sound rude but it isn't working. I am not expressing malice towards you.

[bcohen5055]

Any links to good articles about this? I for one have not heard of this before.

[grgwsngton2]

I just googled this https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/nasa-is-a-jobs-program?u...

Again, I have to say I really hate how my previous comment sounded. There's just a lot to this and I didn't want to try and defend the very idea while arguing about government reform because it would have been an uphill battle. Sorry for how rude that sounded.

The basic idea, though, is that NASA (while awesome) has been building a heavy lift but also disposable and expensive new rocket. There are a lot of traditional contractors (Boeing, Lockheed Martin, ATK) across the country helping to build the rocket. This means jobs. So congress supports the program, despite its cost, because it means jobs. This stifles innovation as evidenced by what SpaceX has been able to do on a fraction of the budget. This branches and goes deeper with organizations like the ULA which charges several times that of SpaceX but has failed, completely, to innovate. Anyways by the time NASA's new rocket will be ready SpaceX will be have been launching Falcon Heavy for years and possibly even launching the BFR. This means SpaceX will have more powerful, more reliable, reusable, cheaper rockets. All this time NASA has been unable to innovate because ??? and now the entire SLS is nothing more than a jobs program.

[somerando]

What is the BMV?

[zbeat]

BMV = Bureau of Motor Vehicles (if you’re from Indiana, Maine, or Ohio). Most of us know it as the DMV.