[farrisbris]

> Many people who program in PHP learned it as a first language, hacked together programs in it, and probably used hack together libraries and tooling.

This describes me very well, and i don't think i'm alone. When i look back at my(very early, first language) PHP code it looks horrible. A lot of it is just copy pasted code from random websites telling me that that it does what i wanted it to. Which is a pretty good description of me at a young age trying/learning to program by internet. I don't use PHP today, and i really don't want to, but i suspect that is in some part due to me struggling with stuff i never understood when i was doing it and developing a distaste for it looking back at my bad code from that time without realizing it could be done differently/in a way fairly close to what i do in my current work-language. I just wanted to make my WoW dkp page work and searched the internet when wondering how to and ended up writing really bad code. It still worked pretty good and i had fun doing it but i never considered writing PHP again once i moved on.