[codemac]

Cleanroom has a lot of evidence that process (especially around code inspection/review) does improve quality more than TDD or other methods of detailed design, most people are just unwilling to take the time for detailed process for quality IMO.

[crdoconnor]

That's frequently a reasonable trade off. A lot of businesses need a proof of concept to test product market fit. IMHO TDD can often be a massive waste of time if that is the case.

There's weirdly not a lot of good advice out there on sensible steps to reasonably transform a rushed proof of concept in to a production quality app. Mostly it all starts with the assumption that you're building something from scratch.

[codemac]

> There's weirdly not a lot of good advice out there on sensible steps to reasonably transform a rushed proof of concept in to a production quality app. Mostly it all starts with the assumption that you're building something from scratch.

Cleanroom is actually completely reasonable for this - what you must accept is that transforming a rushed proof concept into a production quality application is starting from scratch in terms of ascii in github. It's the experience of those that worked on it that is valuable to save.