[chimeracoder]

> And also negotiates on his behalf for better working conditions and pay.

Sounds like he doesn't believe that they do, and would prefer to be left out of the bargaining unit.

> At the end of the day, that person wants all the benefits of being in the union (enhanced negotiating power, benefits, etc), without any of the cost

There's literally no evidence that he wants the union to provide any of that.

[s73v3r_]

"Sounds like he doesn't believe that they do, and would prefer to be left out of the bargaining unit."

If that were true, then he would be suing to be left out of the bargaining unit.

[mmt]

Forgive my ignorance, but is that even possible?

If so, could you point to such lawsuits, especially successful ones?

[chimeracoder]

> Forgive my ignorance, but is that even possible?

It's not. The suit Janus actually filed is the closest thing to that.

[sykh]

Janus is not about being left out of the bargaining unit. It’s about not being forced to pay for collective bargaining that all the workers benefit from. That they all benefit from it is clear when you compare non collectively bargained workplaces with those that are.

[chimeracoder]

> Janus is not about being left out of the bargaining unit. It’s about not being forced to pay for collective bargaining that all the workers benefit from.

You keep hammering on this claim, except it's clear Janus doesn't believe that he's benefiting from it. It's actually quite easy to find examples - from the very beginning of the labor movement up through today - of labor unions screwing over certain classes of members for political reasons. So it's pretty easy to imagine how Janus would have reason to believe he's being forced to pay for something that has a net negative impact on him.

[sykh]

He is free to believe this. He is free to advocate that his state become a so called right to work state. It’s not the place of the Supreme Court to play the role of the legislature. Janus’ claims to having his free speech impinged are ridiculous. He can’t point to an aspect of free speech that he can’t now do but could if he didn’t help pay for his collectively bargained contract. His claims in this regard are ridiculous.

He’s already entitled to a refund of the portion of union dues (if he decided to join it) that go to political activities. This is the Beck decision in the late 80s.

[s73v3r_]

"You keep hammering on this claim, except it's clear Janus doesn't believe that he's benefiting from it."

Again, if this is what he believed, then he would be suing to get out of the bargaining unit.

The entire suit is a scam to weaken the power of unions. If the union has to act on behalf of you, but you don't have to pay, then very, very few people are going to actually pay for the union, and it will die.