[varjag]

Those have to be really clumsy then.

There's a number of people with CS or SW engineering degrees who can't actually code. Those can often quote you Gang of Four patterns, discuss broad slices of tech and draw architecture diagrams on the board. But still can't code.

[phendrenad2]

I know, I work with several. I’m pretty good at spotting them because I studied them while working with them. Fun fact: if you poke in the right places, you’ll see that they don’t even understand GoF and architecture, they just regurgitate the what they memorized.

[Clubber]

I find that highly dubious. CS degrees from where?