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by Matticus_Rex 2952 days ago
I'm not suggesting anything excessive; I'm suggesting (based on a fairly large academic literature) that we know for a fact that a large amount of what is done in our education system does not provide any benefits that we can measure in any way (and not for lack of trying), and that for most of the knowledge that is taught for which we can't find tangible benefits, nearly none of it is retained (which invalidates arguments that it is providing intangible benefits). Most arguments for the educational status quo are based on hand-waving and appeals to magic. Suggesting that this is not an adequate way to justify the apparent waste of billions of hours of children's time is not reactionary Taylorism -- it's pointing out a glaring error that society is making due to the social desirability bias of a fantasy "education" that demonstrably makes people better with no opportunity costs or downsides.
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> we know for a fact that a large amount of what is done in our education system does not provide any benefits that we can measure in any way

I strongly disagree here. Unless you can provide conclusive studies separating useful and useless knowledge, my facts tend to show that education is profitable, and my opinion is that the value of any knowledge is largely up to the learner's personal preference.

> Most arguments for the educational status quo [...]

You're starting a debate that is not the one we're having here. I suggest you keep it for someone interested in pursuing it.

> most knowledge doesn't need to be taught to everyone.

Applying vertical and horizontal separation to teaching and the acquisition of knowledge is definitely an extremist view in my opinion.

I highly recommend The Case Against Education by Bryan Caplan (https://www.amazon.com/Case-against-Education-System-Waste/d...). It's one of the more careful social science books I've ever read, and while it comes to controversial conclusions, even if you disagree with them you'll learn a lot about the issues by reading it. The assumption that education can be assumed to be profitable for society simply isn't supported by the evidence.
So, by pointing out this book, are you saying that your only metric for education is economic value and wage marketability?
No, and neither is this book -- it also deals heavily with less tangible factors.