[fyolnish]

It’s a bit ironic that America both reveres that quote and has the largest prison population in the world.

[godelski]

I'll give you that. But that's also why I try to remind people what one of the founding beliefs was. And that your system is always going to fail to some degree, so do you want it to fail safe (innocent go to jail) or fail open (guilty go free)?

[fyolnish]

definitely the latter.

[godelski]

That's what I agree with and the essence of Blackstone's Formulation. This was something many of the founding fathers of America talked about.