[weber111]

And, frankly, many strong undergraduate programs, perhaps especially ones which are also very large (my school has 500 person class size even in your second-to-last and last years, so you need to go above and beyond to distinguish yourself enough to, say, get a professor to write you a recommendation)

[murph-almighty]

I was also talking about an undergrad program, probably should have been more clear in my top comment.