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by YaxelPerez 2964 days ago
GPS requires a bunch of satellites to be in orbit first, and we haven't sent them to Mars yet.
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We need a bunch here on Earth so we can get a fix in a reasonable time. But all the robots on Mars move extremely slowly and infrequently. i.e. it would be fine if the bot had to wait 12+ hours for a fix, they'd probably be waiting that long regularly anyways. And it probably doesn't need to be more accurate than 0.1-1 km either.

So could we deploy, say, the first three satellites that use a modified version of GPS at first that allows you to get a very slow, inaccurate fix, but a fix nonetheless?

If you have enough time, a single satellite is enough, provided it's not in a geostationary orbit. My understanding is that this is part of the initial location of landers, but that once they're located there's no point, since it's easier to just optically determine how you moved.

On Earth, similar systems were used for the TRANSIT satellites, and the Cospas-SARSat program. The latter is really cool, as it used weather satellites in low earth orbit to find a person in distress, using a cheap transmitter that's placed on a plane, boat, or very famously, Richard Branson's watch.

The way it works is that the device transmits a very stable frequency. (Perhaps modulated by the identity of the person in trouble part of the time.) As the satellite passes by, it relays the signal to the ground in a way that preserves the doppler shift. When you know the position of the satellite and the doppler shift, you can know the closest point and the distance from it.

After a few passes of your one satellite (or multiple satellites, if you have them), you can get a location that's good enough to start search and rescue.

Of course, time has passed since this was designed in the 70s and early 80s, and now GPS has fallen in price to the point where it's everywhere. So now, the devices send GPS coordinates with the identity info.

I meant using the known location of existing earth GPS satellites
Earth's GPS satellites use earthward facing directional antennas, and even on Earth the signal is several dB below the noise floor, so our receivers have to use process gain to actually get anything useful out of them.

Mars is fifty million kilometers away. A GPS reliever on Mars looking for Earth satellites wouldn't be able to hear anything.

Mars is 140 million miles away from earth on average. Even if you could detect signals from GPS satellites on earth they would all be at a single point in the sky.

However, that does bring up an interesting idea. Maybe rovers could navigate using the position of the stars? It doesn't require you to launch 4+ GPS satellites into martian orbit.

I don't see why not - automatic celestial nagivation systems are already a thing on earth, you basically have a system that uses a camera to look at the sky and it gives you an accurate position - most military planes use it as backup in case GPS ever goes down.
Good read: The Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco

TL;DR you need to see the stars and you need to know what time it is