[Jonnax]

A company is free to align themselves with any goal they wish to have.

They see that their strategy aligns with the majority of their users and the user's they wish to attract.

You have the freedom to not use their product if you don't align with them.

If you're not from the US what country are you from that would have a benefit from eliminating net neutrality?

What are your reasons for not supporting it?

The argument is whether net neutrality is for the common good or not.

Are you saying the only companies that can take a stance are ISPs? And they can lobby governments but an independent company cannot?

[ghba66]

>A company is free to align themselves with any goal they wish to have. They see that their strategy aligns with the majority of their users and the user's they wish to attract. You have the freedom to not use their product if you don't align with them.

They are just virtue signalling.

>If you're not from the US what country are you from that would have a benefit from eliminating net neutrality? What are your reasons for not supporting it?

I am from a country in the EU. I don't support NN because I want to have access to zero-rated services. As a consumer, they make my life easier and my bill lower. I want to have the freedom of choosing whether I want NN in my connection or not. I don't want the government to take that freedom away from me.

>Are you saying the only companies that can take a stance are ISPs? And they can lobby governments but an independent company cannot?

They surely can. I was just surprised because Mozilla pride themselves so much in diversity and the common good. I suppose their diversity does not include diversity of thought.

[Jonnax]

>They are just virtue signalling.

They've filed court cases against the FCC. They're activly trying to change legislation.

If that's virtue signalling then it's a stupid phrase that means nothing.

>I am from a country in the EU. I don't support NN because I want to have access to zero-rated services. As a consumer, they make my life easier and my bill lower. I want to have the freedom of choosing whether I want NN in my connection or not. I don't want the government to take that freedom away from me.

An ISP zero rating facebook, Netflix or Spotify just entrenches a big player in their dominant position.

That's bad for the market and shouldn't be encouraged. How can a new entrant into a market compete when the ISP or mobile operator is giving the major player preferential treatment.

As a consumer sure you don't care but these are exactly the scenarios that a government should ensure a level playing field in.

Even in the sense of if a mobile operator is Zero rating a music provider then the operator must allow a choice and all music vendors must be able to easily join the programme.

Hacker news is quite focused on startups, creating barriers for market entry isn't very startup friendly.

>I suppose their diversity does not include diversity of thought.

LOL. So a company can't stand for anything because they might upset someone?

Have a bit of self awareness. Having a persecution complex when you're on the winning side is pathetic.

[ghba66]

>They've filed court cases against the FCC. They're activly trying to change legislation.

Of course... they have to spend the donations on something. Anything but improving Firefox or Thunderbird, lol

>An ISP zero rating facebook, Netflix or Spotify just entrenches a big player in their dominant position.

No because in the EU by legislation ISPs are forced to zero-rate all services in the same category. If they zero-rate Netflix they have to zero-rate YouTube and everything in between.

>LOL. So a company can't stand for anything because they might upset someone?

Exactly. They should not alienate possible users or customers.

>Have a bit of self awareness. Having a persecution complex when you're on the winning side is pathetic.

I, and all customers, are on the winning side by now. But we have to keep fighting so evil doesn't win, :)

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

> No because in the EU by legislation ISPs are forced to zero-rate all services in the same category. If they zero-rate Netflix they have to zero-rate YouTube and everything in between.

You know what the technical term for that kind of legislation is, right? Yeah, you guessed it, that is net neutrality regulation!

So, I suppose you are against this type of legislation then, correct?

[KozmoNau7]

>"No because in the EU by legislation ISPs are forced to zero-rate all services in the same category. If they zero-rate Netflix they have to zero-rate YouTube and everything in between."

Which is government regulation, which you claim to be against.

Why not just enforce neutrality, eliminate the silliness that is zero rating, and offer reasonable data allowances instead?

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

> I want to have the freedom of choosing whether I want NN in my connection or not.

Great, I would be fine with that. So, how do we ensure then that I have the option of choosing NN for my connection?